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Eddini_81976
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Yes I looked on the board, "Pure Kentonism", "Getting Started In Kentonism", and I couldn't find much as to what it is exactly. Look, I have a PDF, called Kentonism. I can't read very well long periods staring up at my computer, so a year ago I tried to print out the whole thing it was just blurry. I still have and will TRY to read it off my PC. I just don't want to waste my time. I saw Michael Close's review od "Wonder Words" Volume 3, and it mentioned presuppositions, pattern interupt, double bind, all NLP terms, and as you know, I'm BIG into NLP, as well as Hypnosis. So will it be a waste of my times reading it? Also again what is "Kentonism" by the way, Thanks, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
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Hi Eddini,

much of Wonder Words is drawn from the language patterns you will be familiar with in NLP. However it also contains numerous effects that are made stronger by using these principles. So it does put them in a practical context.

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Thanks Tony, I don't have Wonder Words though. I have the PDF file "Kentonism". It's the same thing I'm gathering right? Thanks, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
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I am a certified NLP-er from Will Horton and I also Certified Hypnotherapist from TICHER...and I'm a member of the NGH & ABH

I too study NLP and use that in my Clinical work...but if I want to apply some of the tought process of NLP to my performance, it will take me more time & Energy....Kenton Material make it easier for me...since the Language Pattern in Kenton Material is already being converted for the Magical use...so I don't have to Re-Think the Original Pattern and try to apply that in to my performance....

and YES I read & Study ALL Kenton works

If you want to learn NLP then study it from good sources. Don't waste your money on Kenton's products if that's what you want to learn...that is of course if your Goals is for Clinical Pratice

But if you want to Study NLP on the Sole purpose of your performance then by all means Study Kenton Work FIRST...since study REAL NLP will make your head spin trying figuring out how to apply them to your performance....Kenton works make it easier for you and your performance...without make you re-think of how to apply the original NLP pattern for your performance...Kenton's Work will make it easier for you...since he just spell it out and give you the Language Pattern in a silver platter.....all you have to do is make them your own...and also he illustrate that with few Real World Effects...what more can A Magician's ask
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And of course, Will Hortons material (NFNLP) can be found in our Superstore on DVD. He is a great instructor.
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I didn't realize that Kenton put out a PDF file on Kentonism. Has he published anything else via ebook?
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On 2007-10-23 11:53, mesmer wrote:
I am a certified NLP-er from Will Horton and I also Certified Hypnotherapist from TICHER...and I'm a member of the NGH & ABH

I too study NLP and use that in my Clinical work...but if I want to apply some of the tought process of NLP to my performance, it will take me more time & Energy....Kenton Material make it easier for me...since the Language Pattern in Kenton Material is already being converted for the Magical use...so I don't have to Re-Think the Original Pattern and try to apply that in to my performance....

and YES I read & Study ALL Kenton works

If you want to learn NLP then study it from good sources. Don't waste your money on Kenton's products if that's what you want to learn...that is of course if your Goals is for Clinical Pratice

But if you want to Study NLP on the Sole purpose of your performance then by all means Study Kenton Work FIRST...since study REAL NLP will make your head spin trying figuring out how to apply them to your performance....Kenton works make it easier for you and your performance...without make you re-think of how to apply the original NLP pattern for your performance...Kenton's Work will make it easier for you...since he just spell it out and give you the Language Pattern in a silver platter.....all you have to do is make them your own...and also he illustrate that with few Real World Effects...what more can A Magician's ask


I'm into both. I'm a C.H. hoping to be a C.Ht. at some point. I do hypnosis for Entertainment AS WELL as to help people. Same thing with NLP. Except for belonging to (a friggin awesome sight that talks a little about Magic is http://www.NLPweekly.com) and reading up on it, while knowing a little NLP, I'm no expert at it. I'm suppose to be recieving a box in the mail from Tad James with a couple of free C.D.'S some Beginner stuff on NLP. A guy from his office called like 3 weeks ago asking if I got my package yet, but no not yet. I need to look him up on the internet find a phone number and see what happened. It's fine either way. I like the concept of telling you exactly how to use NLP in presentations and methodology. That's very practical.

There is one effect I REALLY LOVE that Derren Brown does that uses a "Swish Pattern" and you can see the clever use of anchoring he does where after showing this girl 4 different colored pieces of paper, that to her the color of her car changes. I've watched that clip (fully) like 10 times. Obviously the car doesn't really change color as her friends could see the real color. I love this trick sooooo much. I guess it doesn't have to be a car but something else. On the NLP website people were like "Great Use Of Anchoring", or "How do you know he just didn't hypnotize the girl", and so on. They have a thread on this one and other stuff he does. The brain is powerful enough to play tricks on us everyone knows that so to pull this off using the method he uses yes I buy it, and unlike OTHER (uhm mmm) he doesn't use stooges trick camera work nor editing. So I hope while reading this PDF file I can learn great stuff such as that. Nicholas someone email me the file a few years ago as a B-Day present. I don't know if he has other stuff like that. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.
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Wonder Words would actually be a better product for you, I think, Ed. It's a CD set, so it's mostly audio, not stuff to read. There are PDF summary files for each of the volumes, and those should print out clear because they're not scanned in copies of a printed piece.

And like mesmer said, Wonder Words is a great product. It breaks things down to a manageable level and gives you lots of ways to use the material, both to enhance existing effects and to "power" new effects. Unless you do a silent act, I'd recommend this product (and even if you do do a silent act, I'd still recommend it Smile ).

Just on a side note and as an example of how well-received this is, I put my copy of Wonder Words on eBay a couple years ago (I didn't want to, but I really needed the money at the time), and used some of the techniques in the copy on the auction page. It sold for over half of the full price (about 60%). Ebay auctions don't normally do that well; you're lucky to get a quarter of the price you paid.
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Wonder Words is excellent however I would stay well away from Kentonism. Knepper has a habit of really over hyping his products (funnily enough he DOES use wonder words to do it) and with the disclaimer at the start of Kentonism you might think you're getting something really exciting, dangerous and amazing.... Its not really any of that.

I've been through a lot ( and I do mean A LOT) of Kentons work and to be honest 90% of it is over hyped. The only decent products that spring to mind are The Secret, Wonder Words, Kent.... and that's it really. I wouldnt go wasting money on anything else from him.
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Thanks everyone. What to you think of me doing that Effect though that Derren Brown does using NLP, here specifically "Swish Pattern", and "Anchoring". I guess you could make anything they own change color but to others the color is the same. You show them 4 peices of paper with different colors. You get them to be unsure of themselves on whether a color is the one they named and put in some anchoring, as beforehand you have them recall things they were certain of and recall things they were uncertain of. Here's the video. I've watched and sudied it a while. I did on T.V. I think see the whole version so things go back to normal. Here's the clip I'm talking about plus read what I wrote on this above. Enjoy, Thanks, Again, Ed, (Eddini), C.H.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr-QtNE9k84
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Kentonism is a blend of illusion and reality. It is an experiment, so either way it goes right or wrong you always appear right. It is a show to perform where hypnosis shows are banned or regulated by law. It is not hypnosis or nlp but all suggestion, if that makes sense.Throw an extra thick layer of visual and audio cues on top and you have something. To answer the question it is a specific type of show all its own.

You may want to go to the wonder wizards site and confirm a PDF of this work is a legal copy. It should have a password/serial# if its from Kenton.
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Mesmer,

Can you recommend some good books on NLP, I only know the basic basics.

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On 2007-11-05 15:27, Blackchains wrote:
Mesmer,
Can you recommend some good books on NLP, I only know the basic basics.
Thanks,



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here's the Link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neuro-linguistic......64570285
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