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Bill Palmer
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Wesley James posted
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Notwithstanding the fact that gaffing coins is illegal--though apparently not unethical because our purposes is just--the gaff being defended by those who haven't done their homework was originally marketed by Steve Duschek, long before Kohler, as "Slippery Sam," and the basic concept appears in "The Art of Magic."

The feke coins being offered by Magic Makers are almost certainly the non-silver replica coins that are fairly ubiquitous in some parts of Asia. These too are illegal, but no more illegal than gaffing real coins. I won't get into the controversy about the "flipper" that was either the invention of Phil Postma--based on an idea in Greater Magic--(manufactured by Eddie Tytlebaum) or Bob Swadling, and no mention of Jonathan Townsend (or Tommy Downs). My point is that in this case the ethical lines don't appear to be clear or consistent. If the set Magic Makers is offering are of poor quality, fault them as not being Ferrari, but not over incomplete knowledge of the history of the effect or the props.

Wesley James


Nice try, Wes. Gaffing coins is no longer illegal in the US, unless it is done for the purpose of fraud.

The original laws were passed to keep people from clipping gold and silver coins and making counterfeits out of them. Since 1964, when we went off the silver standard, that law has been rescinded.

Here is the text of the law:
http://www.lawforkids.org/speakup/view_question.cfm?id=407
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Christopher Williams
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So...does this mean Lassen and Schoolcraft can only make gaffs with coins such as half dollars and old silver dollars etc as they are no longer used in the country? Or have I just misunderstood that link?
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Micheal Leath
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Christopher, gaffing coins is not illegal as long as you are not attempting to defraud the government.
Jonathan Townsend
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I'm still wondering where the idea for doing the display or using that sort of gaff can be found in The Art of Magic.
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