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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks
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Hi everyone! I'm a sponge magician/street magician who also works on flourishes. I recently made a new sponge video and am looking for feedback on it. Here it is, I'd appreciate all feedback on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEVHOrWdMkU

Not sure if you're supposed to post videos of you performences in this section. I've gotten different responses from it. I've been working on my sleight of hand for some time now. Some people told me my sleight of hand with sponges was excellet, others not so much. Please let me know what you think

Please also look at my other sponge videos. I have a yellow ball to red ball color change too on another video.

Thanks!
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Nice enough moves. problem for me I was bored to tears, with the monotone presentation. id not refer to them as sponge balls, and esspecially so constantly, do you know what I mean?

try and make it exciting. not just heres ball.... now its gone... now its back...
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My constructive criticism is to not use the vanishes at 13 seconds and 48 seconds. Keep in mind that just because you can do the move doesn't mean it's the move to do. I realize there are many vanishes, but I feel that these two are a bit unnatural in how the ball is "placed" in the hand.

Just my 2 cents since you asked.

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On 2007-10-24 00:53, Terry Holley wrote:
My constructive criticism is to not use the vanishes at 13 seconds and 48 seconds. Keep in mind that just because you can do the move doesn't mean it's the move to do. I realize there are many vanishes, but I feel that these two are a bit unnatural in how the ball is "placed" in the hand.

Just my 2 cents since you asked.

Terry


Ok thanks. So don't do the wave vanish or the other vanish where the hand goes underneath the other hand. Was my retention vanish good?

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On 2007-10-24 00:45, Joshua Barrett wrote:
Nice enough moves. problem for me I was bored to tears, with the monotone presentation. id not refer to them as sponge balls, and esspecially so constantly, do you know what I mean?

try and make it exciting. not just heres ball.... now its gone... now its back...


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Thanks for your feedback Joshua. I noticed that too after watching that. My dad told me as I was making it "Sound excited! You sound too bored." I'll have to try and work on that. Perhaps I should also not say what I'm going to do. For example, just say "watch" and then make the ball go through the pocket or travel to the other hand.
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Hi everyone, here are my other sponge videos. They are a bit older though, and I don't think they are as good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEVHOrWdMkU

These 2 videos were made awhile ago. So they are different and I don't think as good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXQ9xtKTP2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQ_06fwmj8
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Well the first video is a nice start. The retention vanish really needs work to look more natural.

To just pull the 3rd sponge out of your pocket after you supposedly made it go through the pocket, well lets just say it becomes no mystery how it happened LOL. You kind of tip it off so I would re routine that part at least.

I have never seen the point of video in basements, for nobody, but whatever.

All and all a good start but practice a lot more. Oh and if you work for people ever you need to work on presentation.

Ok here comes the tip of the day!

Look at the video of how you place the ball in your hand. Then make the retention vanish look exactly like THAT. See my point? Either adjust one or the other, but make them identical. That is the right way to do it.

Also after you vanish the ball and have it in your thumb palm, you do what every beginning magician, and too many experienced guys do. The "vanishing thumb" trick.

Your thumb goes way out of sight and it is a HUGE tell. Watch the video and you will see.
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Well the first video is a nice start. The retention vanish really needs work to look more natural.

To just pull the 3rd sponge out of your pocket after you supposedly made it go through the pocket, well lets just say it becomes no mystery how it happened LOL. You kind of tip it off so I would re routine that part at least.

I have never seen the point of video in basements, for nobody, but whatever.

All and all a good start but practice a lot more. Oh and if you work for people ever you need to work on presentation.

Ok here comes the tip of the day!

Look at the video of how you place the ball in your hand. Then make the retention vanish look exactly like THAT. See my point? Either adjust one or the other, but make them identical. That is the right way to do it.

Also after you vanish the ball and have it in your thumb palm, you do what every beginning magician, and too many experienced guys do. The "vanishing thumb" trick.

Your thumb goes way out of sight and it is a HUGE tell. Watch the video and you will see.


Is my rentention vanish really that bad?
I thought it was decent.
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As I said, look at how you put a ball in your hand, and look at the vanish.

IF they are different, then you are doing it wrong.
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As I said, look at how you put a ball in your hand, and look at the vanish.

IF they are different, then you are doing it wrong.


OK thanks for your constructive critism . I recently bought Jay Noblezana's SPONGE, he teaches you how to do a good retention vanish in that so I'll practice my butt off to get it better.
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Practice actually putting the ball in your hand using the same technique you use to do the vanish.
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Hi everyone. I recently digged up Jay Noblezana's SPONGE DVD and used that rentention vanish in this new video. I show you the old way I did it, and the new rentention vanish. Let me know if its any better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vMK71QcR7o
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Yes, the 2nd retention vanish looked a little bit more convincing than the 1st one.

However, you still need work on the timing of the 2nd vanish. The audience is not suppose to see the middle and ring finger 'scoop' the ball BEFORE the hand that receives the ball closes. You need to time it so that when you are just a little less than half-way in completing closing-the-hand action, then you do the 'scooping' to retain the visual illusion of the ball 'retained' in the closing hand.

Hope this helps,
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Go with the 2nd, with a bit more practice. Also there is no point in putting your hands on top of the sponges, (in YOUR routine). There should be a purpose for every move. AND, try to pick up the second sponge as if there is nothing in your hand.
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Referring to the first vid.
You're on the right track.

Too me, the patter was really bad. You said a lot of things like, "I have a sponge ball." or "I put the ball here." These actions are obvious to the audience.

I didn't care much for the wave as your hand was clenched.
Nor did I care for the crossing of hands or when you went directly to production from pocket after a vanish.
You did do a couple of nice retentions.
Overall, the routine needs to be more streamlined and perhaps shorter with more more entertaining patter.

Don't take all this too harshly. After all, they are just opinions.

Best to ya,
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You mentioned in your last video showing the two vanishes that you learned most of this from Mark Wilsons book. I would highly recommend mastering his routine step by step and word for word. Then when you have that down use it as a guideline to build from. I have been performing professionally for 12 years and not once has that routine failed me, I use the basic outline of the routine and have incorporated some of my own bits of business.

Basically keep practicing! But you are working on it and it will come with the practice!
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Fish sticks I recommend, looking at john carneys book carneycopia. that looks similar to the vanish john teaches however john talks about somthings that tell you why some things work ect ect. for a dvd david stone sponge routine in real secrets one, is very good. its not very long at all and flows nicely. its basiclly 2 productions some hand to hand travel then to a specs hand. I beleive that's all your really need. beyond that its just filler and becomes repetitive for the viewer

edit: the carney vanish is done without a "scoop".
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Is it good to practice the sleights in front of a mirror? Because another magician told me not to because 'your mind tunes out the mistakes and tricks you '

He said I should record it on video and just rewatch the video.

Posted: Oct 25, 2007 4:49pm
What level would you say my routine is? Beginner, intermediate?
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What level would you say my rountine is? Beginner, intermediate?


Are you talking about sleights? What does it matter? Are you wanting to entertain laypeople or impress other magicians?

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Beginner routine.
I only say this because it looks and sounds like one of early sponge routines.
There's a fine, invisible line somewhere between beginner and intermediate.

You know techniques and a bit about routining.
However, it's not all about the techniques as much as it is about presentation, routine structure and entertaining.

Read what sickmagic has to say above.
If, and as you do Wilson's routine, ask yourself why the routine is structured the way it is.
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Don't become a "bliinker".

So many guys blink through the move so they miss it!
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