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roi_tau
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HI guys.

This is my first post in this forum so be gentle with me...

Im not a hypnotist and it's illiegal to practice hypnosis in Israel without a premmision(you have to be either a M.D or a clinical shrink )


What do you think are the benefits a mentalists gets with his handshake induction?

I will explain:

We are not realy reading his/her mind by the means of the induction. Its look good (and this is very important thing)

Other benefits would be the spectator will be in an easy state to control .
[like where preshow work is involved and you want to make sure he/she will be silent about it]

What do you think?
How do you see it?
Any other benefits?

Thanks

Roi
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I think you are greatly missinformed, about a great many things about hypnosis.
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Hi Danny.

I have read some of bandler and erickson's work.

The hanshake induction is a great tool to put a person in trance. (I use it myself outside of magic and it's great)

I will put it this way:

Why do you think Derren uses this tool on stage when he gets his information from another source (preshow work,clipboard-you name it) ?

I hope my question sound more intellegnt now,

Roi
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Actually worse.

What do you think you use it for outside of magic?

Really if you think you are going to put people in "trance" to help with magic tricks, wow I have no idea where to start on the fallacies you are using.
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I just don't understand the question. The handshake induction is a method of inducing trance, but only in those expecting or wanting a trance experience, or those understanding the context of the induction. And so why have a tranced subject watching a magic trick? There is no benefit to the subject, and this whole question strikes me as odd and unclear. Your clarification also left me less clear.
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Anthony Jacquin
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It is simple the reasons he uses it is as misdirection and also for the purposes of patter. In the stage performances I have seen of Derrens I have only ever seen the trance achieved (real or not)used as a red herring. It does of course enhance the effect as anyone who has witnessed his performance will surely attest to. Plus it makes the use of dual reality much easier.

It also keeps all the NLP practitioners and psychology students interested.

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roi_tau
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Thank you so much Anthony for answering my question.

Roi
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If you can engage the one in hand, you can use them to lead the many on your way.

As to its efficacy... not a practitioner of that skill so can't comment.
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I was under the impression the hand shake induction was only effective on a previously hypnotised subject.

Right or Wrong?
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It is effective on those who have never been hypnotized, when they
a.) Know what the expected outcome will be
b.) Want to experience this outcome
c.) Understand we are a hypnotist who they have ascribed credibility to.

Great for shows, demonstrations, etc. The belief that out of the blue I can walk up to someone in a restaurant with no expectation or knowledge and drop them into trance is not a reality. Here is a demonstration that incoprorates pretalk into the actual handshake. This on only one of many ways to do a handshake induction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV06qId1H......&t=t&f=b
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When doing a rapid, instant or handshake induction should you explain in your pretalk what the word sleep means for your use of it because hypnosis is not sleep. How does the volunteer know what sleep means?
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Some interesting points and questions there.

I have walked up to someone out of the blue (they were serving drinks in a bar at the time) and done a handshake and they dropped into trance and within a few moments believed I was Denzel Washington (I am a short, white and English). So it is a reality for me that it can be done.

I am trying to fit that into Nongard1s three contexts to make it effective. It does not fit with (a) or (b) and can only guess that as they looked at their hand and I instructed sleep, that they immediately ascribed credibility to me as a hypnotist. I certainly had not introduced myself as such.

Whether you choose to let your subject know in a pre-talk that they will not actually be 'asleep' like they are when they go to sleep at night is up to you. It is not necessary to. People just seem to know what a hypnotist means when it is said. On the other hand blowing away the misconception that they will not be asleep possibly helps others who get caught in a loop of internal dialogue 'I am not asleep, I am not asleep, shall I tell him'.

Practice and choose. I know logically it seems to make sense to explain it, but logic is not a necessary part of this.

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These aren't really inductions. No one is deeply hypnotised by these routines. They are really "pre-inductions". Flashy theatrical maybe.
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