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Andrew E. Miller
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See, the Count has a great use for the item. Who says it as to be done as a single effect?

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"There and Back". Very impractical!
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What Michaels!!!??? There and Back is one of David Regal's most prized professional routines. He clearly explains that is is for use in a parlor or close-up show situation! When you bought it, you knew it involved using a mat and we magicians don't get a chance to lay down mats often. You know that, so why did you buy it? Don't come on here and bash an effect that had so much work put into it just because you don't use it shows. It has its place in magic as does everything. Watch people be blown away and scared as David Regal performs this. It is a beautiful piece of magic. Over half the people on the Café don't perform anyway. You might not too. So why would someone like that care about practicality.

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I think any packaged tricks you buy from a Wal-Mart or Toys R Us such as The Secret Magic Collection are very poor in quality. Most of the materilas are made of cheap plastic and can break easily. As a result I will only buy tricks from magic shops, which now really seems like common sense.
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I loved "There & Back" too when I read it in Regal's book, however I hear the props provided in the effect as released seperately were of poor quality. But what do I know.
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Marko, whoever said they were of poor quality must have made their own or was being irrational. I bought "There and Back" and it works great. Very nicely made.

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On 2003-05-26 02:08, marko wrote:
I loved "There & Back" too when I read it in Regal's book, however I hear the props provided in the effect as released seperately were of poor quality. But what do I know.

My thoughts exactly. The mat was of a cheap quality and the material used was loose and amateurish in appearance.

Andrew wrote:
"Don't come on here and bash an effect that had so much work put into it just because you don't use it shows."

Andrew, if I posted only the opinions that you thought were appropriate they would be your opinions and not mine. Disagreeing with someone is OK. Telling them they have no right to their opinion is inappropriate.

I don't judge a trick by who the creator is. I evaluate it based on over 30 years of professional experience.
If I based my decision on what I liked or disliked by the amount of work that went into a project, then I should love most every literary work on the shelf.
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Yep, there and back read well and looked good on video but the prop is horrible. You have to build your own.
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Jay Sankey's Billusion.

When I read the description of the effect, I assumed that the "obvious" method was too obvious, and that the effect was something wildly creative. It wasn't. If common sense doesn't tip the method, the mark left on the bill by the gimmick does.

It bears mentioning, though, that the customer service from Elmwood Magic was excellent, so while this particular product was a dud, I was not turned off of the distributor.
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On 2003-05-26 11:27, Dr. Bombay wrote:
Yep, there and back read well and looked good on video but the prop is horrible. You ahve to build your own.


I got mine and it was way better than the one I made.

Michaels, I am not forcing my opinions on you. In your first post you stated an issue of practicality, which was false. Like I was saying, everything has its place in magic. There and Back belongs in a close-up or parlor show. I am not trying to get you to think anything like me. As for quality, I disagree, but I respect that if you think it was poor. you never mentioned quality in your original post.

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Actually, all of these, "what's your favorite/least favorite/best/worst.....etc?" threads are asking for personal opinions. By their very nature they run the risk of controversy and misunderstanding.

If I don't like a particular gimmick, e.g. Now U C It, or if Michaels doesn't like "There and Back," those who do like them, in some way feel compelled to respond with their opinion. As long as it is reasonable, e.g. as the Count's response to my posting, then all's well with the world - we are two mature adults agreeing to disagree.

Harsh or judgmental defensive responses ( perhaps based on an internal response of, "after all, I bought that effect and like it so the other person must have no insight or be an idiot...") coupled with the lack of non-verbal cues in electronic communication can lead to acrimony.

Concrete, rigid, judgmental comments based on the need for affirmation of one's personal opinions is not helpful to the discussion. If Michaels doesn't like the effect for whatever reason, no matter how much someone else may like it, he has the right to express that opinion. After all, the topic question is begging us to "bash" an effect we bought and don't like.

And as for me, to suggest that someone shouldn't care about practicality because they may or may not "perform" makes no sense. How can one care about magic in the real world no matter how much they perform it and not be concerned about practicality? How can someone judge what is "practical" for me without knowing my performing style or needs? Similarly at least two of the people who bought "There and Back" are now deemed "irrational" for disliking the quality of the props. This verges on an ad hominem attack which is contrary to the ettiquette of the board.

It is important but difficult to separate criticism of one's opinions or beliefs from criticism of one's self.

By the way, I don't have the "There and Back" and have no idea what it is...

Bottom line: less emotion and more respect would be nice. When tempted to write a strong response I find it a good idea to write it out and save it in a draft mode and sleep on it. If I still feel the same way the next day, then I would send it. I say I "would" because I never have.

Cordially,

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There and back is based on a very clever principle: you send your money to the dealer ( there ) and when you get the prop it stinks so back you return it ( back ). There and Back!!

We have to be careful in praising or passing on an effect, not to reveal the method.

Andre will fly with U3F!!

Regal is a good guy in magic. I just don't think the prop was well made. Much better than some effects from the L&L stable ( remember those horrible Henry Evans effects that got panned in here???)
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Many years ago a friend of mine gave me a trick called "The third eye" is was from supreme magic.

it claimed lot but heres what it contained,

A half a sheet of instructions.
A normal thumb tack with a shiny head.

NOW

The same method is used in "INCREDIBLE" by
bob solari.

Have a look

Click here



O.K guys,
Can you come up with anything worst than that ????

(Apart from "Alida" )


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Topsy, it depends what the trick was. as silly as the Rating Pen may seem, when the penny turns to a dime, girls freak.

I almost bought this. it sounded too good to be true. thanks for sharing this. You may have the worse trick of all. Can you PM with more detail on it. I'm just fascinated by the effect description and what you got.

Who said the Mirage Wallet is junk? when you get the knack of it, it's a killer

I think it was cool that MichalMystic wrote about our not liking the products.

I will say, they are inexpensive, but they are not very good.
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Dr Bombay,

I just edited my post so you can see what the third eye is.
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thimblerig,

In no way am I making an harsh judgmental comments about other people's opinions. I think it is alright to ask questions about people opinions as I did or too correct a flase statement in someone's post. At most, I am trying to point out the good in something that someone bashed.

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We need balance in Congress and here in the Café. I like Andrew's point on this.

I did not care for Hot trix thumbtip. Too much hype, not enough substance.
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Andrew,

I'm glad that you didn't feel as if you were being harsh or judgmental but that more or less proves my point. That is how you came across as I read the postings and that is only my opinion, I could be wrong:

All that I see that Michaels said in his original post was that it was impractical. That is his opinion. How can it be false? His opinion is his. Your message IS judgmental. How can one correct his opinion and call it a false statement? (or maybe the post was edited and I missed something???) Only facts can be corrected and I didn't see any statement of fact to be corrected.

Then there was a <seeming, but perhaps not> rant, including, "Don't come on here and bash an effect that had so much work put into it just because you don't use it shows." -> not exactly asking a question, and if not harsh, certainly not cordial...doesn't seem to really build up the effect in question...

How is this constructive? Does this really point out the good in something or reflect poorly on the writer?

***I also don't follow all the stuff about a close up mat being necessary because Michaels (who I don't know at all, either) said nothing about that in his post and again I don't know the effect. (again maybe the post(s) were edited?)***

How is calling someone irrational because they don't like the quality of the props supplied helpful or positive? It is their opinion. One can point out one's disagreement without stating that those who disagree are irrational...again, does this make me believe the props in question are truly fine items, or does it make me wonder about the writer's communications skills?

I note that you did "agree to disagree" with Michaels on that issue in a subsequent post which is good. However, you didn't counter with any details about why you perceive the quality of the props to be good - which would have been more effective in conveying your point rather than dismissing others' opinions as irrational. Readers are still left with two against, one for the quality of the props. Both Bombay and Michaels offered useful comments on why they held their opinions.

You have every right to disagree and express your opinions, and by all means offer a counter viewpoint if you have one. I have no problem with that.

However both you and Bombay (I'm for "balance" also) miss my point: it is HOW you express yourself in your disagreement, not the disagreement itself. Particularly if you did not mean to be harsh or judgmental as you say, phrasing could make a difference. Just a thought.

Cordially,

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thimblerig is right about how we express our opinions. I'm going to be more constructive.

Thanks, Magi!!

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The worst effect I have purchased is the "Pocket Levitator" , even though I knew how it works before purchasing it, after receiving the gimmick I found that It just won't support what it should support...

A good Idea but absolutely impractical!
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