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On 2007-10-31 18:31, MagicSanta wrote:
Timothy, remember one thing, the US military has not attempted to stop them as of yet.


So you are saying that the US Military has never tried to stop Terrorism? Not sure I get your meaning. There were no measures in place to stop that mess hall from getting blown up recently? That can't be true and I suspect its not. I don't have to be in the military to know that.

Best,

Tim
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On 2007-10-31 18:41, Doug Higley wrote:
History says you are wrong. Look up the body count from Ancient times and on through today. Those who stand up are always there. Always. Many on this board were there...(including me) there are a million there now...millions and millions and millions...regardless the cause or country, there will always be enough to stand up for those who can't or won't. It's what young men are for (now many young women too) who are raised with a sense of obligation to others to step up to the plate and HONOR their roots and the Constitutuon.


Doug, what I'm going to say is going to really irritate some people.
History tells us that a giant majority of those body counts you spoke of were not there to "Stand" for anything. They were there because they were forced to, or simply trained to follow orders. Not really heroic in the sense of getting involved for the betterment of society. And even when they did care, they were merely cannon fodder.

Do you really believe we have the only righteous cause. We are fighting people that at best had a trifling role in the attack they are being fought for. For our safety? We are in their neighborhood, fighting in their living rooms.

We have a war of the misinformed. If we want to stop them from hating all of America, maybe we should go first.

Doug, I certainly don't think you should be careful about speaking your mind. What I meant is "condemning all because of few". It's dangerous, in a philosophical way. We are not innocent and condemn ourselves.

"With the judgement we are judging others, you yourself will be judged." If anyone reads the bible.
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So as not to exacerbate this anymore than I have. And to get myself out of this conversation, the seriousness hurts me.

I'll put it simply.
Arabs are not the enemy, Muslims are not the enemy. Simply because they haven't done enough as far as you are concerned does not mean they haven't done their best. It certainly doesn't mean they deserve to die for living in an "Evil" region.

There are massive cultural differences. We have deaths and destroyed buildings and fear, they have more. Would it matter to you why your family was getting killed in your own backyard? no, you would fight them, and probably hate them, hate somebody. They are not the suicide bombers, they are Arabs, Muslims, People that are just trying to survive. We whine when we lose the Magic Café for a couple of days.

We are trying to see through their eyes with our glasses, and it's blurry. But we don't understand why.

Either way, I'm out. My reasoned discourse is done burned out.
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Josh...I said no matter the country or the cause...there are those who will stand up and be afraid to fight for what they beleive is right. Of course it includes the other side...be our side is not short changed either.

I got involved when I did for the right reasons. So did millions of others in WW2 and now in the middle east...yes I believe we have the right cause because their cause is inihilation and elimination of civilization. Simple as that. get a clue.

TIM: MagicSanta means our Military has NOT been given leeway to win. Same as Vietnam. Political Correct crap...we go to win or we don't go should be the call...but it is not. There is not a force on the planet that stand up to this military organization. Personell or equipt. The best. Leadership, the best. But always holding it back are the likes of the worst...Washington Politiicans.


mmm...Steak is ready bye all


love ya Josh...achh...pitooey
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The first casualty of war (and all that):

FROM BBC:

"Tensions were already high in Basra on Monday morning following the detention on Sunday of a senior figure in the Shia Mehdi Army, suspected of being behind a series of attacks on British troops.

Then two British soldiers, reportedly dressed as Arabs and driving a civilian car, attracted the notice of police at a checkpoint.

According to the Iraqi authorities they refused to stop, instead allegedly firing at the officers, killing one and wounding another. This has not been confirmed by the Ministry of Defence.

After allegedly declining to reveal their mission, the men were arrested and taken to the main Basra police station."

REST HERE:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4263648.stm

Agente Provocateurs?
Insurgents?
I dunno.
Sure is strange though.
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No history lessons about the God of Abraham, reflecting upon stereotypes, commenting on the US military ect. ect. is not on topic. And as dumb as your reference to the act bordering on being unsuitable, comparing it to Michael Richards at the Laugh Factory. If you think it's hard to see a line between the two you must be either a fool or blind. Or in other words a Troll.
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On 2007-10-31 19:24, Doug Higley wrote:

TIM: MagicSanta means our Military has NOT been given leeway to win. Same as Vietnam. Political Correct crap...we go to win or we don't go should be the call...but it is not. There is not a force on the planet that stand up to this military organization.


Hi Doug,


Things have changed since WW2. In WW2 the total US debt was only 43 Billion. The US is now integrated into a world economy and dependent on foreign oil as well as other products including foreign money. The US debt with China and Japan alone now exceeds One Trillion dollars. Arab countries hold 100 Billion of US debt.

The US might still have the strongest military but it knows it can't flip off the investors to badly. I'd say this is also a reason those politicians pull back on the reigns every now and then. Diplomacy is a stronger weapon in some cases than saber rattling.

Best,

Tim
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Josh where in hell did I say any of that? I call on the Muslims ELSEWHERE to stand up as they are surley the future victims. Those in Iraq have stood up. ARE fighting for their freedom and lives and taking over the job. They need to be praised and honored by the Muslims everywhere. IF the word would get out.
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On 2007-10-31 19:41, Joey Stalin wrote:
No history lessons about the God of Abraham, reflecting upon stereotypes, commenting on the US military ect. ect. is not on topic. And as dumb as your reference to the act bordering on being unsuitable, comparing it to Michael Richards at the Laugh Factory. If you think it's hard to see a line between the two you must be either a fool or blind. Or in other words a Troll.


Joey,

What is the topic then? Can you tell us that for a change instead of juvenile name calling. Didn't you notice how all the big boys expressed themselves here without name calling? You keep jumping in here with the same thing. Have you notice nobody else comments on your posts in this thread? They don't make sense. Give us the facts as to what this thread is about will you?

Again I'll say it... You posted you liked the routine. I posted I didn't. Someone else posted they disagreed with me and it went from there, back and forth as to if the stereotype was good, bad whatever. What topic are you thinking we are missing here??? Please tell us. Over 100 posts in the thread so there must be some sort of topic.

So you're a fan of Jeffs and your feelings are hurt because the thread didn't become a fanclub thread. Well I'm a fan of Jeffs as well. I was watching him live on stage before you were even born. You're about 20 years old right? I've watched his career grow with each character he presented. Each was fantastic. I was aware of Achmed but didn't mention my thoughts on it until YOU posted here. Maybe next time... post ..."watch this video but don't comment on it"

Tim
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Tim we have enough money, materials and highly skilled personel to end ANY war in short shrift. Nothing wrong with diplomacy IF the diplomats have the spine...they usually don't because they are also not backed by the really spineless.

Problem is this...when the big guns and mushrooms are held by a doomsday cult then not much else matters...you get the job done and worry about tears from France later. Politics ceases to be viable.

I'm out...I'd rather be silly.
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On 2007-10-31 20:21, Doug Higley wrote:
Tim we have enough money, materials and highly skilled personel to end ANY war in short shrift. Nothing wrong with diplomacy IF the diplomats have the spine...they usually don't because they are also not backed by the really spineless.

Problem is this...when the big guns and mushrooms are held by a doomsday cult then not much else matters...you get the job done and worry about tears from France later. Politics ceases to be viable.

I'm out...I'd rather be silly.


Hi Doug,

The problem is that most of the kids on the block have mushrooms as well now and others are growing them. This is another reason why diplomacy is something to strive for. Sorry to loose you as yours is a civil voice of discussion. I'm with you as well. I'd rather be funny. I'm sure we can spend all day tomorrow talking about Phenomenon. Love it or hate it its a popular topic as well.

Its just about all been said and I doubt there is any more to say without it getting way political and deleted. I'm happy the mods let it go this far ..especially since I challenged Joey to report it if really was off the imaginary topic he is hoping for.

If it does get deleted the politics will be its end but the discussion has been most interesting and educational for me. There is at time to realize something has run its course and I think this has.

Best,

Tim
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Only Doug understands me.....sad.
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Topic derailing guilt led me to watch the clip.

It wasn't very funny in my opinion.

Neither was it offensive.

Just a bit dull.

Quality vent act though.

He should get himself a gopher, they're all the rage in Europe.

Corona.
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Wasn't there a British guy that used to do an act with a ferret about 25 years ago. Can't remember his name. Ferret down the pants, etc. Anyone?

As for the politics . . . I ain't biting this time.


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Corona...I am going to hate myself for asking this...but I must. I met a woman from England who was clearly nuts, she was....an artist. She said that they put gophers on stage and then speak for the gophers or something. She wasn't a very good communicator, being drunk and all, but I wasn't sure if she was serious or not. Now you mention gophers as all the rage, was she serious?
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Deadly. They even have a union now.
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Is it possible to see a video of these gophers?
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Is it possible to see a video of these gophers?


Will this do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4

Ok..Joey...NOW I'm off topic. LOL I admit it. Its time to chill and have some fun with this.

Best,

Tim
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My dog looks like that gopher. (Yorkie)
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