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On 2007-11-19 17:03, Hart Keene wrote:
Andrus was probably the biggest "name" there but there were other guys in attendance from Portland. Pace, Mcclintock, Allen? It has been over 8 years so I can't remember exactly who. It was a big lecture and I had only been into magic for a few years. Oh, Ray Hyman was also in attendance.

Chris, I'm not sure why you are trivializing the effect. I saw this effect floor a room full of knowledgeable magicians, Im not lying. Read Ben's post above, he saw the same thing at the lecture he attended.

Just because the method didn't fool you the first time doesn't mean it didn't fool others...I don't know what to tell you, should I just say it sucks and won't fool any magicians? LOL


I think it's a fine effect. I ordered it and am interested in seeing if I can do something with it.

I just am reacting to the comment that "big" names were devestated by this only 'cause guys that are at a certain "big name" level rarely get fooled.

I get fooled by almost everything, however.
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I guess it just depends. A lot of "big names" get fooled by new ideas because they are too busy dealing with their own creations to stay "up" on the latest offerings.
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On 2007-11-19 18:20, Hart Keene wrote:
I guess it just depends. A lot of "big names" get fooled by new ideas because they are too busy dealing with their own creations to stay "up" on the latest offerings.


I was just asking. Same way if we were in a pub and you mentioned Lee's lecture.
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I have this in his lecture notes, and even though I never used it, I thought it was a good idea.

Like tom Mullica said, if your not expecting something, it will fool you!

So I can see how this could have fooled well versed magicians.

If you read about an effect before you see it, you know what to expect so you have an advantage that others don't have whether it's magicians OR laymen.

I have fooled well versed magicians with the simplist most basic principles and I have been fooled just the same, so it realy boils down to managment/presentation.

Never say never Smile

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On 2007-11-19 22:23, Steve Haynes wrote:
I have this in his lecture notes, and even though I never used it, I thought it was a good idea.

Like tom Mullica said, if your not expecting something, it will fool you!

So I can see how this could have fooled well versed magicians.

If you read about an effect before you see it, you know what to expect so you have an advantage that others don't have whether it's magicians OR laymen.

I have fooled well versed magicians with the simplist most basic principles and I have been fooled just the same, so it realy boils down to managment/presentation.

Never say never Smile

Steve


Steve, you made it all clear!

When I get this and play with it, I'll report back.
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I have Witness and started watching it. I really like Lee Asher, so I'm enjoying the performance section. I'll report back on it all when I'm done.
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OK, this is really good. The way Lee has constructed the routine, it contains some very strong subtleties that make the effect much stronger than I had worked out from the Youtube demo. I can see why he closed his lectures with it.

The DVD is well produced, easy to navigate and the teaching is typical Lee Asher-clear and thorough.

It's in their hands and while I have not tried it on anyone yet, I know it will get gasps from gals and the "$%#^&" from guys. It's that strong.
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I've used Witness numerious times and each time it slays. Spec clearly do not expect the change coming between his/her hands and you are so so far ahead. I have to say Lee really picks a really powerful effect from his notes to market. Since I don't have his notes, Witness is a tremedous buy /value for me.
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I've been working on this all weekend ( I'm such a perfectionst before performing anything ). The effect is so clear and Lee's teaching and subtle, professional tips make it a winner.

Anyone with experience can figure out to do this by the description. But, if you decide to try it out, buy one from Lee ( Theory 11 ). It's only $20 and well worth it.
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On 2007-11-01 23:54, krisnevling wrote:
It seams like a lot of hype to me. I learned this years ago from Lee's Thinking Out Loud lecture notes. It's not really that great of a trick. For one thin the card cannot be signed and secondly the method is pretty obvious if you see the whole performance. Here is a link of a guy doing it on youtube. One watch and you'll see how it's done. Too much hype for me.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=l5VBdlZcPk0


What a downright dick thing to do.

I didn't bother watching the youtube clip- I don't need to. When I first saw Lee do this, a roomful of magi, myself included, were blown away. The effect is a friggen miracle. A card is shown sealed inside a plastic bag, which is placed in the spectators hand. It CHANGES, in their hands, and it is examinable. If you don't think that's good- fine. It just lets us know how much stock we should put in your opinion.

Ben


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On 2007-11-01 23:54, krisnevling wrote:
It seams like a lot of hype to me. I learned this years ago from Lee's Thinking Out Loud lecture notes. It's not really that great of a trick. For one thin the card cannot be signed and secondly the method is pretty obvious if you see the whole performance. Here is a link of a guy doing it on youtube. One watch and you'll see how it's done. Too much hype for me.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=l5VBdlZcPk0


What a downright dick thing to do.

I didn't bother watching the youtube clip- I don't need to. When I first saw Lee do this, a roomful of magi, myself included, were blown away. The effect is a friggen miracle. A card is shown sealed inside a plastic bag, which is placed in the spectators hand. It CHANGES, in their hands, and it is examinable. If you don't think that's good- fine. It just lets us know how much stock we should put in your opinion.

Ben


Eh heh heh heh, Ben said Dick.


And I stand by it. It was a dick thing to do.

One thing that I've learnt over the past few years is that you should strive to be friendly with everyone, ESPECIALLY when you are first starting to release products to the magic community. Now, I'm not saying you should be friends, but rather that there is no advantage to be gained by saying negative and potentially harmful things about someone else's release. At best, everyone agrees with you (which isn't the case here) but you've still created some ill will among between you and the other artist. At worst, no one agrees, you lose credibility, and you create even more ill will. It's a lose/lose.

And, one might offer a rebuttal by pointing out that Kris' product, ReinCARDnation, suffers from the very problems he attributed to Lee's- a lot of hype. I won't point out such a thing of course, since it would put me in the very same lose/lose situation I mentioned above. But, someone could.

That's all I'll say about this situation. Lee's product speaks for itself. If you want good magic, buy it.

All the best (to Kris as well),
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I saw Lee do this at a lecture in San Jose. It's a great trick
and blows away laymen -- after all they are the only ones
that count in my mind. It did fry magi at the lecture.

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Still on the fence about this. I think it is a Great Effect and a superb method. Just like WH effect with a ziplock, I just don't know if carrying a ziplock bag around in my back pocket is me. Im sure you can borrow one, but if it is that great of an effect and there isn't one around, I wouldnt want to lessen the impact by people thinking that the bag becasue I brought it might be fishy.
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Ok-- for all of you hatin on witness, you're all idiots.

I've seen Lee perform this at his lectures numerous times-- never fails to kill. I have a few of Lee's notes and always seemed to pass over this trick. When the video came out on Theory 11 and I watched the teaching, I was blown away. I hit the streets and started performing it-- only then did I realize how hard it hits.

It's an amazing trick and Lee's an amazing creator.

Go buy it and you'll see.

As for carrying around the plastic bag, it's not a big deal. It is sorta wierd when you think about it, but when you perform it, it goes by unnoticed. You're a magician-- magician's have odd looking props. If you really think about it, cards are an odd looking prop as well. How many people do you see walking down the street with a pack of cards in their hands?

I think that's why magic grabs so much attention-- you don't see it everyday.

don't worry about carrying around the bag-- if you still are, just perform it while doing walkaround at an event.
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What is so special about a simple plastic bag if you compare to a full deck of cards.It would be normal to carry a deck with you and not a bag...

The deck would not be gimmicked but the bag would!!!!!

I miss something here.


Normality is a strange concept for magicians I think,,,,pretty strange...
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On 2007-12-06 02:11, paisa23 wrote:
Still on the fence about this. I think it is a Great Effect and a superb method. Just like WH effect with a ziplock, I just don't know if carrying a ziplock bag around in my back pocket is me. Im sure you can borrow one, but if it is that great of an effect and there isn't one around, I wouldnt want to lessen the impact by people thinking that the bag becasue I brought it might be fishy.
Common man, you don't think people think your deck is gaffed enough? I mean for goodness sake they can take the bag home if they want! And don't think the ziplock bags is one of those ginormouse ones but the easy to carry smaller ones. Put some crumbs from chips in the bag, they'll understand that it is from your lunch or something. Ziplocks aren't expensive so I say let them take it home and all is fine Smile
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I think steel-sheet bag would be a good alternative for the strong magicians..Smile
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I made up a version of this (from what I've heard it uses a bit more setup to more clearly show the card in the bag aka Indecent) in which I use Houdini's Metamorphosis as the presentation to demonstrate the effect. I also change the selected card into the joker before the card is revealed in the bag. I've tried it once and got good reactions, especially when they were able to remove the card from the bag. I may try this again sometime if I need a good transpo.
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In a beginning post, "There's only ONE point in the trick that may reveal how the trick is done" and unfortunately, I believe demos on you tube might be exposing this for potential buyers.
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I just love how we (as in us magicians) refer to non-magicians as laymen. It almost feels like Harry Potter and the muggles. I think Witness boils down to personal taste! I love to perform simple effects, it means I can work on my presentation. I just hope that some people here (not mentioning any names) can learn that magic isn't all about marketing (this statement is not directed towards Theory11) and trying to fool us magicians, but actually going out in to the real world and performing in front of laymen (which IMHO is our main goal). I think that this conversation goes a lot deeper and can stem into a variety of discussions and sub-discussions (if that is a word). All I am trying to say is that magic shouldn't always be seen as a business to try and fool magicians. Real magicians are the ones that go out and perform. Hail to Dai Vernon.
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