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Marco Koch
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Hi everybody!

I'd like to learn the 3/4 Across from Gregory Wilson.
Because I had some trouble on "Magic Talk", I'd like to make clear that I already own the video and that I don't want to ask for the secret!

Here we go:
How do I get the coin back in my fist, after showing the fist empty?
Gregory Wilson doesn't explain that move very well (in my opinion he doesn't explain it at all). One person from MT sent me an email about that move and gave me some great hints. He told me that I have to use my middlefinger and pinky and to move my ringfinger out of the way (in very short words).
(I hope these lines are not considered as giving away a secret).

My problem is, that I have big troubles moving my ringfinger over the coin...

Is this the way everyone does it or are there other ways?

Thanks in advance,
Marco.
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First, I don't know what sort of "trouble" you had but I'm glad someone from MT took time to help you. There are good and bad eggs everywhere...

As for your current question... are you talking about retrieving the coin into your fist after having shown your hand empty with the Tenkai/Goshman pinch?

If so, try putting your thumb on the coin when you close your hand, holding the coin against the back of your fingers. This should give you a stable enough hold on the coin that it will simply slide on the back of your fingers as you move them out of the way.

I also recommend that you take a look at Paul Cummins' video "Up In Smoke" for a clear explanation of his method for getting into and out of deep backclip. It has advantages over the Tenkai/Goshman clip in many situations and his explanation is very clear. You may choose to apply some of that information to the Wilson routine.

Feel free to email me if I can help you in any way.

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Marco Koch
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Thanks for your answer Joe.

About the trouble at MT:
I only get answers that told me that I should buy the video or that the move is well explained on the video. Finally the threat was deleted, because a MT Assistant "FELT it was asking for secrets".

In my opinion, if you post something on MT you can be sure that at least 40% of the answers have nothing to do with your question, saying something stupid like "Buy the video" or they are making fun of you.

OK, back to 3/4 Across:
Yes, you are right, I spoke about that moment in the routine. I'll try that in the mirror and tell what I think about it.

Thanks,
Marco.
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Sorry you had a bad experience there. I tend to ignore replies from people who have indicated that they are more interested in joking around or being smart alecs than they are in actually helping. There are enough pros and helpful people who contribute there that I find it a useful continuing resource and therefore just ignore the chaff that comes from the peanut gallery.

As for why your message was deleted, I never saw it so I can't give any opinion on what may have led the moderators to remove it.

Do make a point to check out Paul Cummins' videotape -- I rarely use the Tenkai pinch anymore because Paul does such a good job in his video explaining the benefits of the deep backclip.

Again, feel free to email me directly if I can be of assistance.

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Marco, I think this routine is very strong. It makes for a great improptu bit. As for retrieving the coin. I'll PM you. Smile
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One thing that I've noticed when watching magicians perform this type of routine--most them are almost completely ignorant of the angles of visibility! ANY type of backclip is only effective if people are looking directly at the palm of your hand. Please make sure to consider this when doing this routine!
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In the video, Gregory Wilson uses quarters. You might one to try using bigger coins. Smile
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Okay, now the question is understandable where on the MT it was reflecting another move. I take it you want to know how to move the coin from Goshman Clip back into the hand for presentation. What Wilson does, and what is obvious to most, is he just jerks his hand and in momentum puts the coin into the hand which is then opened. Easy to do and it looks like the hand is getting a grip on a coin freshly arrived. The other method is to put your thumb upon the coin and simply slide it into the palm. The first move is better as it looks like the coin is being caught without opening the hand.

Do note that what I thought you were asking, as did most others, was how does the last coin get from the left hand into the right. That move is clearly explained and that it was thought you asked about that move it indicated you had not seen the explanation and thus were looking for the secret to a coin vanish and reappearance. Had your question been phrased as it was here then your responses would have been different.
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Sometime when that tape first came out I remember a fella asking the same question about Tenkai Pinch recovery on the MT board.

As Steve mentions above, Wilson mearly jerks his hand and releases the grip on the coin and lets the coin fly back into the fist.

Regarding the method you referenced someone emailed you..."He told me that I have to use my middlefinger and pinky and to move my ringfinger out of the way"

I still have the images I used to explain this recovery when it was asked back when. Private Message me if you want the image URL. This recovery is very similar to the methods Paul Cummins teaches to retrieve Rosenthal backclip in "Up in Smoke". As Joe said above, this tape is an excellent source for a backclipping education.
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Hi,

First I'd like to thank everyone who has answered to my post.

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On 2002-02-15 22:59, Steve V wrote:
Do note that what I thought you were asking, as did most others, was how does the last coin get from the left hand into the right. [...]
Had your question been phrased as it was here, then your responses would have been different.
Steve V


As far as I can remember the question was the same: "How do I get the coin back into the fist after showing the fist empty?"
I made here at the Cafe some more comments about my fingers, but

1. I didn't know about that when I posted the question at MT, because it was told to me by someone who read my question at MT and sent me a useful answer (so it seems that he has understood what I meant) and
2. I thought that information like this is considered as giving away a secret on MT and that the post will be deleted. In my opinion some MT Assistants are quite fast in deleting a thread.

If a post is not clear, there are 3 ways to react in my opinion:

1. ignore it,
2. make a (stupid/funny) comment,
3. Ask what was meant.

There wasn't one single question which part of the routine I mean or something like that. Well, maybe there was one, but I can't have read it, because a MT Assistant had some feelings and deleted the thread without any comment...

Okay, enough about that. I'll try to get the Cummings video to have a further look at the backclip.

Thanks,
Marco.
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It's "Cummins."

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I'm glad we were able to help you with your coin problem Marco. I'm afraid that I cannot help you w/ your hurt or being insulted by being refered to an instructional video. I really do think if you have a problem with the MT talk or the people who administrate that board you should take advantage of the email link they have to the owner and notify him directly. The same courtesy should be extended to Steve Brooks if you have a problem here.
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@Joe: Thanks for the correction.

@Steve: I'm also glad that I received help for my coin problem.

I asked Bryan (the admin of MT) about the deletion of my thread. He responded that he can't help me because he hasn't seen my post. That's OK.

About being hurt or insulted:
maybe it's just the language barrier that let some things sound more harsh to me than they are meant to be. But for me a statement like: "Buy the video." doesn't sound very polite especially when, I already own the video and asked for something that is not explained on it.

Bye,
Marco.
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I'm glad we've come to an understanding. But let's keep the discussion about the MT board and our likes/dislikes regarding it relegated TO the MT board. This is not MT, and no one can do anything about that board on this one. Let's stay on topic here: Wilson's 3/4 Coins Across.

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On the other hand, a little "Cafe Pride" couldn't hurt, could it?

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I think you're absolutely right -- this is a fine board with its own particular blend of contributors and characters, and there is every reason for pride in that.

Scott's point is quite accurate -- nobody can really do anything about any other board by either praising or complaining about it elsewhere.

I enjoy this board on its own merits, which are many. It is neither useful nor constructive, in my opinion, to discuss the multiple resources we have available to us as if they were in competition with each other.

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