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shek Loyal user Los Angeles, CA 244 Posts |
I think the camera cut is just part of T11's style of editing. You can see them cutting at random places in other trailers as well, such as in the trailer for Distortion. In that video, there is a cut right before the pips finally reach their destinations on the six of diamonds. The editing is just to emphasize the climax of the trick, IMO.
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Philip Milton New user 15 Posts |
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On 2007-11-18 12:46, djkuttdecks wrote: What is the E torn and Restored? If you mean Garcia's Torn; just because Ellusionist sell it doesn't mean it's an Ellusionist product. It was produced way before Garcia released anything through Ellusionist and can be picked up almost anywhere. Also the only similarity I can see between TNR and torn is it's 4 pieces, piece by piece (which LOADS of torn and restored restorations are) The nature and openness of the restorations is a world apart from torn. This version (from the teaser at least, seem to offer restorations with no cover (showing the card front and back). I love Garica's version (not as much as I love Hollingworth's but still) but this seems to offer something Garcia's doesn't. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
What we are seeing here is no longer mere trickery.
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Y2John Inner circle 1498 Posts |
Yeah... this is nothing like 'Torn' visually, with the only similarity being that they are both piece by piece T&Rs
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
I also agree that the "change" at the end weakens the effect and only adds confusion, which isn't magi IMHO.
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Y2John Inner circle 1498 Posts |
Well the change fits within the context of the routine...
I mean to have a card selected and lost in the deck, then the performer attempts to locate there card... but he/she fails... it's the wrong card. So you show them something with the wrong card, and get to the ripping etc... then you restore the card piece by piece, showing both sides throughout... then you come to the final piece, you cause it to fuze onto the card... the card is restored... you then reveal that not only has the card been healed, but it's transformed entirely... into the specs selection. Then if you wanted, the other card could now be in the middle of the deck reversed etc. Seems pretty magical to me, and something a bit different to just straight up ripping and restoring... though that's possible also. |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2007-11-19 18:47, Hart Keene wrote: From your perspective...can you explain this for me please? Not saying you are wrong, but would be nice for someone elaborate as to why they think it weakens an effect... |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
I feel that when doing an effect like this you want it to be crystal clear. Have you ever heard lay people explain an effect they saw to someone else? Notice how things change and there memory is "groggy" so to speak? I don't want there to be any confusion with what they just saw, confusion isn't magic. "The magician took my card, tore it up, and put it back together". One sentence, boom. That is what I want them to remember.
Magicians tend to love these effects with multiple kickers and that's fine, but I just don't think it adds what we want it to. Look at what guys like Burger, Close, Ortiz, Weber(maxumum entertainment) and many other "thinkers" say about this sort of thing. They will all tell you to proceed with caution unless you really know what you are doing and KNOW that it will add to the effect. The effects mentioned above, T&R, Transpos, etc. are all wonderfull effects. Do they really need "help". Can they not stand on their own as to not take a chance of causing confusion? I guess I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. philosophy. Again, this isn't just my opinion, research what the greats have to say about this sort of thing... |
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Y2John Inner circle 1498 Posts |
Yeah I can see where your coming from...
Im not gonna be getting this as with christmas coming up, money is short, and I have to prioritise... I'm looking forward to seeing others thoughts etc though, but I'm going for FITH+multi DVD when it comes to T&R's |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2007-11-19 19:39, Hart Keene wrote: Great post, the only person I have seen to make sense or actually have a reason why they don't think it is that strong. Now, as with John, I can see where you are coming from, though I disagree, that is what makes us all different. Bare in mind the change at the end is optional, and you don't have to change it, and I am sure on the DVD/Download you are going to find plenty of ideas. As most of us know, Mathieu is one of the top Magic thinkers in the WORLD. 2002 this first circulated...5 years ago now. All the top names that have seen this, including obviously the likes of Kenner, Houchin, Asher etc all like it and talk of how strong it is. So you get mixed views from everywhere. There are those professionals who we love and respect who love it, but then on the other hand there are professionals like the ones you name who would maybe disagree. Now, Transpos...can they stand on their own? Yes...Can some of them be better? Perhaps...Wouldn't you want to be able to do something different to END a transpo, as the effect is still similar...I do!!! Not sure about anyone else, but if I can find something to make my effect stronger, I will. Also, everyone loves it when the Magician screws up, but that is then when you screw with them! You literally touch ripped pieces together and they fuse, each one being shown as the wrong card before bein put back together, then you turn it around and it is the right card?!?! Very strong in my opinion. There are many ways to go with it, and as I said, with this, you don't have to change the card at the end. Let's wait for the product to be out to actually see all of its limitations etc |
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Y2John Inner circle 1498 Posts |
Yeah... my feelings are the same as Christopher Williams
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
Good points Chris...
I have to say that the effect looks wonderfull and the fact that the card does not have to change makes my viewpoint somewhat irrelevent and only shows the versatility of the method. It gives you options! |
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Philippe Special user 771 Posts |
Is this like Guy Hollingsworh's without the pain?
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THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) Inner circle Minnesota, USA 2379 Posts |
This is nothing like Hollingworth's.
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2007-11-23 08:37, THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) wrote: Well, it is a torn and restored card...so it is kind of like his |
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Philippe Special user 771 Posts |
Will, Hollingworth's retribution is a piece by piece restoration! Is that not what this is?
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THEGUY26 (Will Swanson) Inner circle Minnesota, USA 2379 Posts |
I'm talking in ,ethod, and in effect. In his, the card doesn't transform. I don't know the method of TnR, but I do know the mothod of The Reformation, and they are totally different.
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Newb2 Elite user 483 Posts |
Did you guys see the new trailer? The transformation looks REALLY clean and it doesn't look like the video has been edited.
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