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krisnevling
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On my DVD "K'Link" I have a completely impromptu routine that I feel is more direct than "TnR" and it uses no gimmicks. The effect is as follows: A card is freely selected(no force) and signed across the face then lost in the deck. The magician finds the wrong card so to make up for his mistake he does a trick with the wrong card. This card(witch can be signed but I never have it signed) is torn into 4 pieces and restored one piece at a time. After the final restoration the card is turned over and found to be the original signed card. I would also like to mention that once the wrong card is found and you start the tearing procedure you never go near the deck again yet the card transforms into the signed selection.
I am 27 years old and have been performing magic for 12 years. My main interest is in card magic, but I love all aspects of it. I love to discuss magic with anyone. Feel free to email me anytime.
Tim Jahn
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COOL!!! "REinCARDnation 2- The return of the farce"

This thread is about TNR. Not Kris' next (Laughable) outing at magic fakers.
Start a thread.
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart.
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If you think about it, most sleight of had T&R's could recreate this effect, as most use at least two cards.

However, they would not look as clean, or as direct as TnR.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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The restoration looks amazing, and the kicker ending may suit some people. My biggest quip is the clean-up. The method taught in the dvd is not something I would use as there are many other more deceptive methods.
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My main thought when watching this is what is the logic in the torn card transforming into a different card? You are restoring "their card" but in the end it's not their card? Then whose card is it?

Now I can see the possibility if someone had previously chosen a card from a previous effect, and you failed to find the card and went directly into THIS effect, and lo and behold, it changes into the first card. That would be a real shocker!

And then, perhaps the card you tore winds up in your pocket. That would be cool.

But other than those concessions, the point of the plot of this effect has been going right over my head.
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Tim Jahn
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I got TnR a little while ago. I can really honestly say that I like it. If its used with the proper patter and you spin a little bit of a tale. (The patter that Kenner uses in the explination...Kind of..Sucks). Be prepared to make up a good presentation if you plan on changing the card. You don't have to change the card at the end of course. Its a matter of choice and presentation.

As far as the mechanics go I thought that the gimmick was really ingenious. I made up two of them in a few minutes the first time I did it.

You ARE limited to what cards you use for both the gimmick and the specs card. I was sort of disappointed by that But I guess its no huge deal. Setup is quick and reset is is fairly fast.

Not a bad effect. Just a little bit of work.

Tim
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart.
Sincerely,
Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.)
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Hmmm. There's some interesting word play going on here. I have both effects - TnR and Holy Grail (I'm a bit of a collector of Piece by Piece restores).

Anyway they are both good effects with their own pros and cons - I must take issue with the quote that you can hand out the restored card with Holy Grail straight away. As taught on the DVD and as with TnR a s***ch is required. In fairness I suppose you *could* hand the restored Holy Grail card out, but it would be a risk that I wouldn't personally take.

The TnR gimmick just made me chuckle - it really is very, very, very clever. Typical Bich! The method is as fun as the effect!

The TnR gimmick is more work to construct than Grail, but you don't need to be Rob Bromley to pull it off.

For me TnR looks more magical - just touching the edges together and they bond, whereas for me Holy Grail's restores look to me like, well, what the method is.

All said and done though they are both very strong effects - Grail can be performed surrounded, but for me Matthieu's version looks more magical. The clean up on TnR is a bit "iffy", and I, ahem, switched it for another method.

Grail is more direct - one card, nothing added, nothing taken away.

Your mileage may vary - its a close call. I just love the thinking behind Bich's version - its one of those effects that once you see the method you are more impressed!
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Who's Rob Bromley?
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I ordered TnR totally out of curiosity. I haven't done that in a LONG time. I have the utmost respect for Matthieu and Chris. However, I'm a bit disappointed. The thing is, if you are doing an effect close-up with one card at the end, you should not go back to the deck for any reason. People are IMMEDIATELY going to want to examine it. You should be able to drop it on the table. That's what I want in a torn and restored routine. I will say that the method is very cool. I'm not very handy with such things, so I don't intend on making one. If they ever sell a gimmick, I'm sure I'll buy it. (As long as it's not in those butt-ugly Guardian cards.) One interesting thing Chris says in the video is about how much you'll enjoy performing this in front of the mirror, even if you never perform it for real people. It sounds to me like he knew most purchasers would never use this in the real world. I'm sticking with Torn and Restored Transpo and (working on) Reformation.
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On 2008-03-25 03:23, pepka wrote:
I ordered TnR totally out of curiosity. I haven't done that in a LONG time. I have the utmost respect for Matthieu and Chris. However, I'm a bit disappointed. The thing is, if you are doing an effect close-up with one card at the end, you should not go back to the deck for any reason. People are IMMEDIATELY going to want to examine it. You should be able to drop it on the table. That's what I want in a torn and restored routine. I will say that the method is very cool. I'm not very handy with such things, so I don't intend on making one. If they ever sell a gimmick, I'm sure I'll buy it. (As long as it's not in those butt-ugly Guardian cards.) One interesting thing Chris says in the video is about how much you'll enjoy performing this in front of the mirror, even if you never perform it for real people. It sounds to me like he knew most purchasers would never use this in the real world. I'm sticking with Torn and Restored Transpo and (working on) Reformation.


I have to agree. This only looks good in front of a mirror
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Rob Bromley is the UK's foremost card gaffing wizard. His stuff is mind numbing.

Pepka does have a point however with regards to instantly handing the card out - and to that end I still use TORN as my ultimate four piece restore.
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A lot of complaints about TNR and I really don't get it. IMO, TNR is pretty awesome. I do need to figure out a possible different handling for the switch out at the end, but other than that I think TNR is an awesome piece by piece restoration and I like having the option of having the kicker ending or not. The method is genius!
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On 2008-04-04 10:07, Branden Darcel wrote:
A lot of complaints about TNR and I really don't get it. IMO, TNR is pretty awesome. I do need to figure out a possible different handling for the switch out at the end, but other than that I think TNR is an awesome piece by piece restoration and I like having the option of having the kicker ending or not. The method is genius!


myabe in your performace setting, but a card routine that is not only angly but light sensitive is not very usable for a lot of us. a fun toy though
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myabe in your performace setting, but a card routine that is not only angly but light sensitive is not very usable for a lot of us. a fun toy though



I can see what you mean there. I still have some messing around to do with it before I can be certain of how practical it will be for me.
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