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CesaralM Loyal user 275 Posts |
I can´t believe some of the comments I just read...we are supposed to be professionals writing in a professional forum.
If you want to show it is normal, break a few at the end, or give it as a gift...One idea is that you casually fall (and break) the one selected by the spectator, to take/force finally the gimmicked one. For making it we have used a normal standard bulb so that you can easily buy extra bulbs for little money, and mix the gimmicked one among others that are real. There are many ways in which you can use it, from mental magic to kids shows. Just think a little bit. Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic) |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Perhaps if it were an item that people considered "professional" and was marketed at a reasonable price, the comments might have been different. Possibly...
But this item should never have been mentioned in this section of the café in the first place. There are many ways to use a balloon as well, that does not mean there should be a $400 balloon, nor does is mean the balloon should be reviewed in the mentalist section. There are more appropriate sections for it. Perhaps those in other sections may see value in this item that we do not. Perhaps... Just my opinion. |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 17:31, Tony Iacoviello wrote: Tony: I'm not sure what your criticism is of my post. I was not asking for a review. I was asking if any of the mentalists (or whatever anyone calls themselves) who frequent this room of the Café had a different perspective on it than I do and would use this effect. And although the cost of the bulb is beyond my budget for that type of effect, I agree with Cesar's remarks about some of the comments. They should have stayed in the Men's Room. They certainly weren't helpful to me. Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Terry
Read the post above mine. What I stated was in response to that (Cesar Alonso's post), not your original post. I do understand that posts here may, or may not be helpful, but everyone is entitled to express thier opinions. And many have strong opinions on this product and it's usefulness within mentalism. But the fact is, the topic, once started is open to all, it does not belong to anyone but the Magic Café. Tony |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 17:31, Tony Iacoviello wrote: And now for an exquisite example of recantation and backpedaling: Quote:
On 2007-11-27 18:25, Tony Iacoviello wrote: Next, let us not forget that on Phenomenon, that benchmark of telehistrionic* mentalism , both an exploding pearl and an exploding light bulb were performed. Indeed, "lay people" consider electrokinesis psychic or paranormal. The light bulb goes on, off, on and then explodes due to the overflow of psychic power. See forum discussion: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/for......ic=68779 Tony, no one was suggesting to follow up the effect with a vanish of milk which reappears in the light bulb. Arnon P.S. I think both Terry's initial post and Cesar Alonso's post were legitimate, as well as the placement of this thread in "Penny." _____________________________________________________________________ * Neologism coined on 11-15-07, ©(2007) Arnon Sincoff |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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Tony, no one was suggesting to follow up the effect with a vanish of milk which reappears in the light bulb. No, that is $50 extra. Yes, the effect that is attempted with this "method" is good, it is the execution that is lacking. "You then wrap the bulb in clear plastic bubble wrap hand it to an audience member." Come on... Bubble wrap? We all have opinions, I stated mine. Now don't go all Uncle Fester on me. |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 20:12, Tony Iacoviello wrote: You sure did - 2 contradictory opinions and 1 new one thought up after-the-fact. Bravo! Arnon P.S. Now which opinion shall we choose to be yours, or is this your way of leaving yourself multiple outs? P.P.S. Why don't you apologize to Terry and Cesar like a mensch? |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Both are mine. I don't fault Terry for posting about the effect, but I do feel that TRIX like this belong in the puzzle or children's magic forum, and not here. My opinion.
I also think that people who steal other's ideas and market them as thier own (like changing the material in a Koornwinder Kar and calling it your own) should be boycotted and named for the thieves they are. Once again, my opinion. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......art=90#6 As for the "1 new one thought up after-the-fact." that is the main reason I posted: Quote:
On 2007-11-16 22:08, Tony Iacoviello wrote: |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 20:34, Tony Iacoviello wrote: So that's what your attack on Cesaral's Magic Bulb was all about - not about that effect specifically, but about the company's ethics, in general. Well stand up like a mensch and say it! (I know, now you did, after some teeth-pulling. Want novacaine next time? ) |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
My comment on the effect was based on the effect. If it could be done clean and bare handed, sans the bubblewrap, the effect might be acceptable, but not as it is, not for mentalism. It is also, in my opinion over priced. My opinion again.
As for the individual putting it out, that is another matter all together. And I don't consider what I posted an attack. It may be out spoken, but not an attack. |
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Arnon Inner circle 1320 Posts |
At least now you've made your opinions understood, at least to me, and probably also to Mr. Alonso.
However, I frankly disagree with your rejection of the bubble wrap: 1. It convinces the audience that the bulb is not being powered by some external battery, or internal battery setup that only needs a piece of external metal to be added to complete the electric circuit. 2. It looks good to me - the bubble wrap is translucent, the bulb is constantly in sight, and the nature of the wrap is familiar to all as good, protective material that does not conduct electricity. 3. I also suspect that it can be done "clean and bare-handed" as you put it. I'm sure Mr. Alonso has more to say about this effect which Terry brought up as the legitimate subject of this thread. I do agree that this item appears to be overpriced. |
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mesmer Inner circle 1186 Posts |
Basck to the original post.....my reply is
No!...... for me its waaaaay to good to be true and also its out of my context as a Hypnotist |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
Here's the description with a video link.
http://www.filebox.org/hp/clips/cmxb.wmv Looks good and I understand the reason for the bubble wrap, but I would probably just have the spectator hold it by the glass. Or is it stronger for the spectator to hold it inside something that isolates it such as the wrap or a clear container? My initial question focuses on whether or not the more technical something is (lighting a light bulb) the less effect it has on the audience. Maybe a better way to describe my question is to ask what is stronger -lighting a bulb with mindpower or breaking a bulb with mindpower - or both? My preference for these type of effects is to attempt one thing (light the bulb) but have something else happen instead (break the bulb). Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
PMed you.
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 23:12, Tony Iacoviello wrote: Got it. Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
A magician might use this in the form of 'mental magic'.
But I think that this is every reason why mentalists run away from magic. Tony's correct. It's simply not for this forum. Great for a kid's show though. Bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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CesaralM Loyal user 275 Posts |
Thanks Arnon for understanding that there is something new in this bulb and it is not just a copy of others. Tony Iacoviello will understand it someday.
I really think that magic goes on with thousands of little contributions like this. Regarding the price let me remember: 1) If you know about the production time and cost, materials used, and the quality of this bulb, you would better understand the price. 2) From that recommended price, a percentage of it goes to the dealer/wholesaler. 3) This bulb, and any other trick from the brand Cesaral Magic HAS A LIFETIME WARRANTY. Who gives this? 4) As always, the price depends on the use it will have... Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic) |
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ElGlobo New user Sweden 2 Posts |
What could have been an interesting and constructive discussion about Caesar Alonso's latest creation, quickly turned into a mean and destructive mish-mash of cheap jokes and almost no serious opinions built on facts. Kudos to Terry, though. It seems that none of you own the Cesaral Light Bulb, but still you think you know all about it!
I am happy owner of The Cesaral Light Bulb, and it's the best buy I have made for a long time. The Light Bulb is not overpriced, which you will understand as soon as you receive it. This is a small 100 W light bulb in the best Marvyn Roy class! I don't think there is any light bulb so extremely bright on the magic market today. I have alreday performed it on several occasions with great success. To suggest that this trick doesn't belong in mentalism makes me laugh! It fits into any mental act as long as you demonstrate several normal bulbs in a real lamp socket and then let the audience chose one of them (?). For that I use Guy Bavli's net force bag (or you could use Malloy's net bag instead of lemons). The plastic bubble wrap is not at all necessary, but in my opinion quite logical: you give the bulb to a lady to hold, but wrap it so won't burn her hands when this 100 W lamp lights up! Remember, this fantastic light bulb can be examined by the audience after the effect - and then you are ready to use it again with the help of a little something. I hope I have contributed to a more balanced and fair discussion and look forward to reading about other methods that can be used in connection with the Cesaral Light Bulb. I recommend it to all serious mentalists. El Globo |
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Marc Spelmann Special user London U.K. 666 Posts |
I have recently purchased this effect and I have to say I am delighted with it, it is quite errie when it lit up on my desk as I was on the other side of the room.
I guess it is an effect that will sit comfortably within some shows but maybe not others.. I personally love it and have a section of my show where it will be the icing on the cake. The craftmanship is superb and it is so very far away from the old gag light up bulbs. Imagine a spectator with their eyes closed holding a wine glass, within the glass is placed a lightbulb the performer stands across the stage clearly with no means of connection with the bulb and yet after some suitable dialogue the bulb flickers on and then after a little longer the bulb glows bright.. For me within the context of my show it is perfect and I am delighted to own it.. As with all things some of us will love an effect whilst it will not be 'right' for others.. Just my take on Cesars bulb.. Have a good Christmas guys and see you all in 2008.. Good thoughts with you all Spelmann...
It's not goodbye, just see you later...
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Mr. Ree Elite user Sedona AZ 414 Posts |
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On 2007-11-16 21:30, Terry Holley wrote: My answer is “no” based on the following. 1. Maybe I’m too picky but when a real incandescent bulb slowly brightens and then goes from bright to dim you can see “the filament” go from off, to red, to yellow, to white. and the reverse is true with bulb goes from bright to dim. (I did not see this in the demo). Noticed I talked about two things color and not a diffused looking light but the actual filament “wire” lighting which you can see in many incandescent bulbs. 2. I’m an electronics engineer that could do better for less cost. (This previous career "delayed" my entry into magic ) 3. Previous price to value experience with Cesaral Dancing Hank. I like "The Incredible Dancing Paper Napkin" better at 1/4 the cost. For me, too expensive, too weak. My list of books and effects is too long to spend over $400 on this. If it works for you that's good too. Just my opinion.
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