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Ray_Mago New user Rio Rancho 82 Posts |
What's the difference between the chop cup and cups and balls routines?
just wondering. (sorry if this is a bit newbish.)
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matt kemp Veteran user 312 Posts |
There aren't any "rules" for cups and balls or chop cup. However, the chop cup is USUALLY one cup and it is often as played as a game where the spectator guesses if the ball is in the magicians lap or under the cup.
Cups and balls usually consists of three cups (however many two cup routines exist). The balls appear, disappear, jump from cup to cup. There is a nice surprise at the end of cups and balls routines as well as chop cup routines. Here are some links: My cups and balls routine =) http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjBLXB4maKE Ammar's cups and balls routine http://youtube.com/watch?v=MWzh3VbXSds Tommy Wonder's two cup routine http://youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+wonder World's Greatest Magic chop cup routines http://youtube.com/watch?v=UqiVeZPf3HM I would fast forward to John Mendoza or Jim Swain's routines. |
Jason Fleming Veteran user Marooned, Hawaii 374 Posts |
A Chop Cup has a secret gimmick and also uses sleight of hand. Traditionally the Cups and Balls are ungimmicked and rely completely on sleight of hand.
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
Welcome to the Magic Café Ray_Mago!
Matt's links will give you all you want to know about the differences between the two routines. Most magicians own and use both. Since you are new to this, the chop cup would make an easier start for you, since, as Jason pointed out, you get some help from the gimmick. Eventually you will most likely want both. Andy
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
I would start with a regular set of cups, then if you like it you can move one step further with a chop cup.
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
How about starting out with a set of cups with one chopped?
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Andre Hagen Inner circle 1432 Posts |
Jake is quite right! Apparently I don't have a firm grip on the obvious. I guess it is because I only use a mini chop cup.
Andy
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein
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jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
I watched Nick Nicholas do cups on youtube and he did a routine in which he was asking the audience to guess how many balls were under the cup. Sort of like the 3 shell game with cups. Is this his bit or can it be found in a dvd or book somewhere?
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
That's a common bit found in many routines. The one that comes to mind at the moment is Gazzo's routine. You can find it at:
http://www.penguinmagic.com They will even throw in a copy of his "Street Cups and Balls" book with each order. Pretty sweet deal. There are uses for both types of cups, in combination or separately. They really are separate routines with the only thing in common being that they both use cups. The sleights for Cups and Balls are usually more involved. The basic Chop Cup routine really only requires one and it's about as easy as it gets. Some people like to think they're saving money by buying a combo set. That's fine, but typically they're each built for a different purpose and really don't need to match in any way. Chop Cup's beauty is in it's simplicity so the more plain looking the cup the better. No double or triple rings, no engraving or fancy shapes, just a little (usually) metal cup.
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
Quote:
On 2007-11-17 12:26, Dave VanVranken wrote: Makes me think about the riser innocent cups.
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Quote:
On 2007-11-17 03:18, Ray_Mago wrote: The chop cup is a one cup and ball routine. A cups and balls routine, by its very name, involves more than one cup and more than one ball. Quote:
On 2007-11-17 11:29, jakeg wrote: WOW! You just invented the "combo set." Now let's try for something completely new. If you took two rods, fairly sturdy ones, and placed a fairly sturdy disc at each end of both rods, you would have a set of "round rolling things" that you could use to support a box. This box could then be used to haul objects. Wait! Dernit! I just reinvented the wheel, the axle and the wagon.
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Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Ah but a darn fine wagon it would be Bill!
Combo cups can assist in a pretty cool routine if you're so inclined (Tis my fave)! Take a look at John Mendoza's C&B on "My Best" vol. 1 or check out YouTube for Rannie Raymuno's world famous C&B routine! |
Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
They certainly can.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
Bill your post up above should have won the Pete Biro award for best post of the day!
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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