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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
Helping your friends is what you should do, I have a hard time seeing posters hype entire companies and blindly supporting all of those companies work.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have run into this MANY times. (big shock huh?) BUT when you do hype something without merit, it puts your name on the line as well. When you get called on it, then what? All of the sudden it is YOU who is having to answer for it.
Not fun.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Dannydoyle,
Doesn't seem to bother some people that hype.
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
I'll tell you what I have done and let you be the judge on how ethical it was for me to do this.
I've shown magicians things I've come up with. Sometimes at magic conventions or when I've given lectures. IF later I market that item I might contact a magician that I know learned that trick from me in the lecture and ask if they would share their opinion on it. I stress the fact that I don't want them to tell them anything that isn't true and to only tell them their honest opinion. Why would one do this? Well on a marketing level it's better to get opinions from other magicians then the creator. I could build it up and make it look like a million. But an honest endorsement from someone who learned it already and has used it will be a much better endorsement then any hype I might try to put on it. For they are pretty much just like the potential customers of that product. They learned it, used it and then share their thoughts on it from real experiences. So I agree that it's fine as long as it's honest. I won't make anyone else's product look good unless it is. If I learned something from another magician then later that magician markets what they showed me. If I ran across a post about it I'd likely pop in and share my opinion on it. Ron Jaxon |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Ron, that sounds all well and good...but, would you also pop in and say that the product was bad if it really was bad?
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daver Elite user Jupiter, FL 436 Posts |
Ron's perspective, IMHO, is spot on. Asking for endorsements from those who have benefited from one's work is perfect fine, and again, is not hype, but honest review. If they gained benefit from it, ask them to endorse it; why not? That's what it's all about.
And if there is a negative review to be given, and in Ron's example above, just give it to the creator personally rather than publicly so they can learn from your insight and improve.
Dave
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Daver, using that logic their would never be any negative reviews and make the entire review process suspect(which I believe it is anyway).
And what if the creator decides to go ahead and release the product anyway? Would Ron have any obligation to honestly review the product in public, after all he would have inside knowledge as to the quality of the product. If not then wouldn't he, by remaining silent, be contributing to the hype in a roundabout way? P.S. I not picking on Ron. I'm just trying in my lame way to make a point. Thanks guys
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
Let's look at it this way.
Magician (A) shows you something and you really like it. Magician (B) shows you something and you can't stand it. You run into a discussion about both here on the Café. I don't know about you but I'd most likely just skip over example (B) because I didn't care for it. It didn't "Tickle my fancy" so to speak so I have nothing to say about it. Example (A) on the other hand did strike my interest and I enjoyed it. So I'd have something to share about that. If someone showed me something and I didn't care for it (There are many reasons this might be and it's usually because it's been done before). I'd tell them what I think of it right then and there. I of course would not be rude. I'd simply point out what I don't like and if I can I'd share my opinion or suggestions on how to improve it. They may disagree with me but that's their prerogative. It's all up to them. So I think a positive is worth sharing. I try to ignore the negatives but if I'm asked I'll share them. That's why it sometimes annoys me when I read comments about a trick or prop like, "That sucks" or "Don't buy it.". I know quite a few tricks on the market today that I can't stand. But there are those out there who like them. We all have our opinions. Ron Jaxon |
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daver Elite user Jupiter, FL 436 Posts |
Edh,
I suspected my prior post was not complete. Scope my prior statement to ONLY where friends ask friends to post reviews. In a prior post, I endorsed negative reviews specifically for the reason you cite. I look at it like this (and I'm a software engineer so I'll put it into pseudocode - The goofy "BLOCK" things below are because the Café reformtted my stuff the first try on it <grin>): -BLOCK- If a friend asks you to review something: If you like it, feel free to say so publicly but beware your views might be looked at suspiciously if people know you two are friends OR If you don't like it, tell the friend privately. -ENDBLOCK- -BLOCK2- If someone without any personal attachments asks for reviews, or if you buy something and feel like posting a review: If you like it, say so. If not, say that too. Do not be shy about posting negative reviews, but stick to the product and don't make comments about the creator, his/her family or pets. -ENDBLOCK2- If you are the creator, you should know enough that not everyone, including your friends are going to like what you've done, and as long as the negatives stick to the product (as per the clause immediately above), look at it as input for improvement. And finally, if you are the creator, don't ask for hype. Especially with friends. It puts your friends in awkward situations. Hype is marketing, not reviews. Do marketing, but don't ask your friends to shill for you. I think that's the reasonably complete thought I have on it. People see positive and negative, to make informed decisions, and hopefully not put friends in awkward spots, and the creators get real feedback to improve. And yeah, I agree with Ron in that one should not say "Don't buy it" but rather "I was not too jazzed with it and here's why" because as a consumer, I'd also like to hear WHY people do not like it because that may also be just the reason I want it, or how the creator can improve the design...
Dave
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Daver, thanks for the response.
I agree with what your are saying. Posting "that sucks" or "it's a MIRACLE!" doesn't cut it. State why, in your opinion it "suck" and why "it's a MIRACLE!". I have seen some reviews where the reviewer actually makes a disclaimer saying he is a friend and to take his review with that in mind. That goes a long way in my book for the credibility of the reviewer. But again my question is: Quote:
And what if the creator decides to go ahead and release the product anyway? Would Ron have any obligation to honestly review the product in public, after all he would have inside knowledge as to the quality of the product. If not then wouldn't he, by remaining silent, be contributing to the hype in a roundabout way? Thanks for your response on this subject daver and Ron. edh
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Paul Shirley Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1206 Posts |
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And what if the creator decides to go ahead and release the product anyway? Would Ron have any obligation to honestly review the product in public, after all he would have inside knowledge as to the quality of the product. If not then wouldn't he, by remaining silent, be contributing to the hype in a roundabout way? I think It would be the 'Friends' obligation to rase his/her concerns about the product with the creator first.. then, depending on the outcome, decide wether they want to write a review or not. I don't think the 'friend' has an obligation to then blow the whistle on a bad product UNLESS the products faults could potentially cause injury. Try to keep in mind that the faults I see in some product may be of no consequence to any one else... and that the difference between good and bad is quite often just an opinion. Caveat emptor! Products of every nature are sold on hype. Its ultimately the buyers responsibility to research a product and to make truly informed decisions. |
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jstone Inner circle Someday I'll have 1473 Posts |
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On 2008-06-09 08:39, daver wrote: I've been in this boat. The answer is simple, if the product sucks, you're not helping your friend or yourself by giving it a good review. So when I was asked to do a review I responded to the person letting him know that I personally didn't like the product and that if I gave it an honest review, he probably wouldn't care for the review. Based on the person's response from there you either decide to give the bad review or decide to say nothing. In this case I decided to say nothing. |
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