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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
In a little while, I will be getting ready for a private event this evening. Curiosity got the better of me and I have to ask this question. Two of the effects of the six I will be doing are 'real'. I say real because I do not understand fully the science or mechanics behind them. I tell spectators this up front, and present them as 'experiments'. neither is a closer so there is no issue there. In fact I am truly experimenting with live persons. Although the success rate is in the 95 and above percentile I have that 'experiment' out. The general definition we are using is 'real magic' when you are neither in full control of the processes or outcome yet they are dead on in results. I believe mentalists to be one of the only groups who may cross this line so I present the possibility here. No need to go over specific effects etc.
Here is the question. Do you perform effects that fully work and you have no understanding of the processes or science involved that permit them,and how honest are you with the viewers?
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
It's difficult to respond to what you're asking without concrete examples of what you are doing.
I suspect that you must have SOME idea of the forces at work with what you're performing. - entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
More than likely psychology related or Science that may be beyond current explanation. One is a market effect and one original if that helps.
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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chuckm New user South Carolina 46 Posts |
Interesting. I kinda sorta know what you're getting at, King (I think). I assume you are referring to psychological effects of some sort. I agree with Entity in that I really can't think of an effect where you wouldn't have some inkling as to the workings.
As far as not having full control of the outcome, I usually don't take that risk. I always have an out and any "miss" in my performance is planned. I'm sure many in this forum will agree with that one. Anywho....definately no "real magic". The authenticity of what I do is for the most part left up to the audience. Chuck |
Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
The bulk of my routines are "REAL"...I use my Mental Mojo...The Power of the Mind, as it were. I think 95% success is excellent for such an experiment. Any effects using numbers have at least a mortality rate of 5% just with pilot or co-pilot error Outs are good if you have one but people are forgiving and forgetful. That's the good side.
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Energizer Special user A well known funeral palour 582 Posts |
I'm not big on suggestion based routines, but there's one I do just about every time I perform (close-up). I have a vague idea why it works, and it works about 80% of the time (otherwise I wouldn't do it!). If it goes wrong, sometimes I can cover it, other times I explain what I was trying (following Kenton's instruction).
But likewise, I cannot imagine any effects that are real, but you don't have any clue to how they work. Maybe some body-magic style effects could be put into that category ...
"We judge a book by its cover and read what we want between selected lines" - W. Axl Rose, circa 1992.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
When I was a young rodeo clown fighting real bulls, there was some real magic. As a stage entertainer, the magic is the audiences' fascination in what they see versus what they think they see.
I enjoy the audience. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
I think carefully placed "real magic" routines ARE BEST SUITED for shows.
Why? If you use psychological forces or suggestion based routines (in parlor or stage situations) you have a higher probability of getting a "hit". It's like using suggestibility routines prior to the selection of your subjects to hypnotize. It just makes good sense. You could easily hold one card, back to the audience and genuinely project the card to the group. You can follow along with each attribute (color, suit and value) and watch nearly the entire group get one or more of the attributes. This makes for a VERY POWERFUL effect. You will be surprised how many people get all of it. These routines lend strength to all of your other routines (read: not-real). I use the one-two combination all the time. I use "Terasabos" prior to a roulette routine. The previous "tuning in" phase builds reality and the denouement that follows creates dramatic tension. The psychological methods involved in my "Red-Handed" force, my psychological K?NT presentation and my "PC Principle" all work with genuinely psychological "magic". They are all real and they all work routinely. Believe! Sean |
Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
To answer the question asked (sorry)...
I don't, but I think you can perform real magic without knowing why it works. However, knowing how it works will make you a better performer (under the surface) and more convincing. I think your knowledge makes your "persona" a more interesting one (at least, it often can). |
KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
I should have expanded a bit, as to suggestion, psychological means and hypnotic states to allow an understanding of possible methods. Even hypnotists have a hard time getting a consensus as to what and how if that gives a better idea. You could probably toss in things like Kentonism and others that shouldn't work but still do.
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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BIlly James Special user 991 Posts |
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On 2007-11-17 17:15, Slim King wrote: True. I have flown across the Bermuda Triangle with my memorised deck many times. ;) |
KingStardog Inner circle 2134 Posts |
It was a 'parlor' situation which horrifies a lot of folks. Those are the tough nuts. If you can swing them, in tight quarters, its like doing magic on the street. Do it there and it works most anywhere. Parlor takes away the safety of distance, and you are more easily brought under question and scrutiny. still those close quarter tiny gigs are where they can get a grip and rip ya to shreds if you come on too superior. trying to be the 'friendly' guys is just as bad. The take you on a journey and group experiment path works ok. I do understand why most folks don't like to do them.
...think not that all wisdom is in your school. You may have studied other paths,but, it is important to remember that no matter who you are or where you come from, there is always more to learn.
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