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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
And btw daryl
thanks for your great post(all thanks btw) |
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psychicturtle Special user UK 821 Posts |
I would just like to add/repeat from a different view point that just like a baby, a show will grow, change and develop.
I found that almost all of my scripting changed quite dramatically for each effect after a few performances, and that some peices just weren't as strong as I thought they were with my character, and that other things didn't suit me. I have done a lot of shows and continue to do a lot of shows for free (community groups, elderly peoples groups, retired workers groups etc.) because you can try risky and new pieces without the pressure of the booker wanting it all to go really smoothly. For example, I have new piece I had been working on and mentally rehearsing for months. I tried it, and found two things that needed making more secure, and I also had to restructure the revelation. I am very pleased that I didn't do it as it was for a paying audience! Now, it is much better, and it is ready for my paid act. And you can get free publicity for those kind of shows too. |
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts |
I think that you should do the show the way you want to! You know you better than me or anyone else on this board. The worst thing that can happen is the show is a bust and noone likes it. Oh well. Learn from the mistakes you made and fix them. Then book another show and put in the changes to see how it plays. Trial and error is the only way a show can develope and evolve. It doesn't matter how much you practice at home, things will always be different in real time. Be ready for them, smile, and have fun!
Chad |
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mesmer Inner circle 1186 Posts |
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On 2007-11-21 16:33, MichielTummers wrote: for this time line....I can do it with three...max Four Effect....but with Lots and Lots of Audience Participation that involve the WHOLE audience if you do that many effects you will NOT be able to Paint a Clear image in the Audience mind beside you are doing....errrr.....many and lots of things believe me...if you Start to script your Act on paper and THEN recording your ACT on camera....you may be able to look at it in different light and also you are doing variation upon variation of the same effect...let me break it down here is your list: Mind Reading/Telephaty 4. korutsuke 5. Booktests : a) mother of all booktests b) Dracula Booktest & Errata ending 6. ODDS Drawing Duplication 7. Question and Answer act 11. as a finisher a magic square routine. I use it with a thought transmitter Prediction Effect: 1.number prediction 2. Bank night 10. Human Phone Book by Bob Kohler Miscelania Effect: 3. Pk touch "routine' (no I wont call it a routine as done by criss angel ) 8. Metalbending (duh ) 9. Blindsight lets take Mind Reading/Telephaty for expample..... why your do Kurotsuke which only 1 out of 5 if you can guess a word from a thousand that came from a random book? or..... why do you do Booktest if you can just read a mind and Duplicate a Drawing wcih only came from someone imagination instead of a pile of BOOkS? or..... why you do Drawing Dupe if you can just do Q&A Routine?....... how bout .... number prediction VS Bank night VS Human Phone Book by Bob Kohler wich one is the most ideal effects that looks as real as it gets?????? I could go on and on..... but hey...that's just me! |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2007-11-25 21:56, Chad Sanborn wrote: chad, this is exactly the way I see it. ANyway ive shortened the show big time. Thanks for the post |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
Mesmer I'm thinking now of:
1. banknight 2. pk touches 3. ODDS drawing duplication 4. MoaB 5. Metal bending 6. Question and answer act as finisher something in the like of this. |
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brainchild Loyal user Ideological Bigot 259 Posts |
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On 2007-11-24 20:47, darrylasher wrote: Wow. Great post Darryl. Very insightful. I agree with your ideas about planning. It is a major aspect of what sets apart a professional in almost every craft. Thankfully not everyone knows that. |
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mesmer Inner circle 1186 Posts |
Or you could just get "Maximum Entertainment by Ken Weber"
about the selection of effect rather than doing it like this: 1. banknight 2. pk touches 3. ODDS drawing duplication 4. MoaB 5. Metal bending 6. Question and answer act as finisher if me...I will doing it like this: 1. Question and answer act as Opener (why: you are on stage and you establish yourself quickly that you are a Mind Reader and you can do this effect without any spectator on stage, just like Jhon Edward) 2.Metal bending (why: visualy unique, since you just open with a Q&A act wich the effect happens in the Audience mind, now its time to spice up your act little bit by giving them visual stuff) 3.pk touches (the same type of effect with Metal Bending, i.e: Demonstration of another variation of PK Power, instead with spoon, now you do it with people) 4.End with Human Phone Number (why: now you have 8-9 people on stage, this is to give the illusion that you are using lots of people in your show and involving the whole Audience, and finish this with a Group Bow, ask each Volunteer to hold hand together with you and the other Volunteer and then take your BIG bow together) FIN! with this you just only demonstarte ONLY 3 MENTAL POWER 1-Telephaty 2-Psikokinesis 3-Prediction/Influence I suggest you drop the BankNite (for god sake it's only one out of five...what so Great about that? since you do the Human Phone Number wich is stronger than Bank Nite) drop the Drawing Dupe since you do Q&A,....or better yet you can include the Drawing Dupe in the Q&A routine to give it more visual edge to it and drop the MOABT...yes I know its expensive Booktest...but in your Q&A routine you can read people mind without any props WHY USE BOOK? Whewww!.....let me catch my breath |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
That's why I go to small to big. I open with bank night because it gets me comfortable and the audience in the mood.
everytime it gets more impressive. at the end I do a big question and answer act as most recommended it as a closer. I think its too long for an opening effect and too formal, it should be the highlight of the show. |
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joshlondon17 Special user San Diego, CA 685 Posts |
I would advise against using Human Phone Book as a closer simply because do you really want 8-9 other people getting the spotlight for your hard work? Mesmer, go back a read Maximum Entertainment, you'll see Weber disagree's with your logic.
Josh London |
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darrylasher Regular user 179 Posts |
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On 2007-11-26 16:01, joshlondon17 wrote: I generally agree with the guideline to end with an effect that leaves you alone on the stage. However, ending with a volunteer effect can be done. If the volunteers can be shuttled off smoothly, you can get a round of applause for them. Then, as the applause is dying down, you can thank everyone for their attention and say you enjoyed performing for them and hope they enjoyed it as well. This will kick the applause up (hopefully) and leave a stong impression of lots of applause at the end of the act. The key is in timing it so the first applause does not fully subside. |
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joshlondon17 Special user San Diego, CA 685 Posts |
Darrylasher,
I do agree with you, but at the same time the audience may feel slighted that you get applause for the volunteers as they go off stage or you escort them or whatever, then you stand on stage and "keep the applause going" for yourself. I've seen shows that end like this (mag and other) and it sucks! I felt that I was being taken advantage of if a wierd sort of way. My girlfriend has even felt the same way. She said after one show that it was a wierd ending for some reason. BUT, if you can get away with it, more power to you! I would say to end with Human Phone Book, let the volunteers get applause then do a little something. If you watch a comedian their second to last bit is most likely stronger than the last bit. Josh London |
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darrylasher Regular user 179 Posts |
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On 2007-11-26 19:23, joshlondon17 wrote: That's valid take. I think there is a fine line between "leave them wanting more" and "leave them feeling cheated." It would probably work best for a performer who knew he had the audience totally on his side during the show. Not for the inexperienced performer, certainly, so in this context it would take a great deal of caution. In a regular magic show, you can usually get away with it by adding some quick "kicker" like grabbing a flower out of air as you exit or something similar. In a mentalism show, there are really no "quickies" like that. It might be possible to set up the kicker earlier in the show; a selection or drawing is made earlier with the instruction to hold onto it until later. The climax is revealed at the very end. (Just thinking out loud - or rather while typing.) In any event, yes, it's better to end on stage alone if possible. Darryl |
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Experimentalist Veteran user 356 Posts |
MichielTummers
I noticed the lack of any sort of "cold reading" presentation. No Q and A, no Psychometry. Something like this might add a personal touch to the show. |
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joshlondon17 Special user San Diego, CA 685 Posts |
Experimentalist,
I'm not sure if a Q & A Act comes pre-packaged. |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2007-11-26 22:42, Experimentalist wrote: eeh there is a question and answer act?(thoughtscan from osterlind) |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 02:34, joshlondon17 wrote: ? you really think that I buy everything prepacked?? where did I state that :S most of my stuff doesn't even come from a magicshop and I do read people with every effect. remember an effect is as good or as bad as you make it. but please copy paste |
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mesmer Inner circle 1186 Posts |
Based on my Experience.....if I'm allowed to do Q/A.....I will open my act with it.....but then again....different performer had their own different prespective...that's what make's our art Unique isn' it
in the end....whether a performer is open or close his show with Q&A......in the end.....its how he can entertain his audience is what count the most.... the REAL MAGIC doesn't occur during our performance, it occurs after the show is long over....and after the audience has gone home....Real Magic happens in their conversation over Cereal the next morning or in the office the next afternoon...it's in this moment of recollection that legends are born....and that's My Humble Opinion |
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