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psychicturtle Special user UK 821 Posts |
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On 2007-11-26 20:08, human wrote: No, in fact there is no problem in using random people for it at all, the only downside to this piece live is that the whole audience would be sitting there for 5 minutes of nothing while Derren explianed to the second participant what to do. If the audience heard what he said they would all be the mindreader. So Yes, it can be done live on stage with two random people. It would just be very boring for the audience. And there is a little bit that isn't on camera too. But there are NO stooges. |
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 05:14, psychicturtle wrote: So, technically it can be done live but practically speaking it wouldn't/shouldn't be. I was wondering what Mr. Brown might do if, for example, he were on a talk show and- out of the blue- the host asked him to recreate the effect with two audience members. I suppose he could work with the two spectators during a commercial break or something if push came to shove. Which is more than David Blaine could do if he were asked to levitate two feet off the ground. At the risk of giving too much away, are the people on the street experiencing essentially the same effect as the television viewer? |
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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts |
Just to clarify, are you asking how his live shows compare to his TV shows, or are you fishing for methods?
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
The long and short of it is that yes you could easily recreate it live and if you wanted you could trim the procedure so that it was shoter and snappier. I can think of 3 methods as I type this, one which costs nothing and one which involves a "device" which is expensive. As Stephen says, if you are simply asking if it can be done then... yes, but why would you want to?
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adgnyc Loyal user New York City 293 Posts |
I saw "Something Wicked This Way Comes" live in London. For me, as an evening of magic or mentalism, it was second only to "Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants." In short, superb theater by a masterful performer. The effects in themselves were wonderful but, in the end, what made the evening so wonderful was Derren himself -- charming, funny, charismatic, theatrical, and posessed of a persona that hints at something witheld lurking beneath the surface.
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On 2007-11-27 12:44, Stephen Long wrote: Well, I did say, "I'm not asking for the method." I think some magicians on TV enhance (maybe even create?) effects through creative editing. I was wondering how much of this was done by Derren Brown (as opposed to his using some innovative methods that could translate to the stage). I have seen bits of his TV program and have seen him do amazing things that I have never seen done in anyone's live act. I thought a comaprison of what he does on TV as opposed to his live show (of which I've only seen the last ten minutes on YouTube) might shed some light on this. I apologize if I was unclear. If you could offer your suggestion(s) on how I may have better phrased my question/subject line, please PM me. I'd appreciate it. I am always keen to learn/try to improve myself. Thanks, in advance. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Hopefully you have checked the link I posted and then your question will be fully answered as it gives a complete run down of every effect in both the tv and the stage shows.
Certainly there is a lot of editing in the TV shows. And why not. One day he will probably get bashed around these boards for it, just like Blaine and Angel have done in the past. Ant
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On 2007-11-28 11:18, Anthony Jacquin wrote: Thanks, Anthony. I must confess I didn't click on it initially. I'm using an old-as-Moses steam-driven laptop and I am therefore reluctant to click on strange links for fear that the thing will explode. I just clicked on it now, though. It looks like there's a lot of information there and will take me some time to digest! Thanks again! Quote:
Certainly there is a lot of editing in the TV shows. And why not. One day he will probably get bashed around these boards for it, just like Blaine and Angel have done in the past. As to "why not?" Some would call it cheating and argue that it raises the bar impossibly high, setting their fans up for disappointment when they go to see them perform live. When his fans see Derren Brown live, do they come out thinking, "Wow, that was better than the TV show," "Hey, that was just as good as the TV show," or "Drat, that wasn't as good as the TV show." Yes, these are the questions that keep me up at night. Sad, really. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Please don't copy/watch/download people's work and offer it around...
does it ultimately matter what or how he does something on tv? I'm not having a go at anyone in particular, just...well...why worry? everyone has different opinions on how things are done on tv, from everything and one is a stooge, to everything is edited together later...its probably not either, but its very fine entertainment.. listening to an album on cd, is not the same as watching the band live is it...i take the parellel from that.. but back to the original thing I said, please don't go selling his shows around on dvd, or download 'em for nothing...imagine if it was your hard work and you wanted a certain exclucivity to it all...
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
When his fans see him live they are generally blown away. He is a superb showman on stage. I certainly do not think they would think they have seen something less than they have seen on the TV shows.
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On 2007-11-28 13:34, abraxus wrote: I was under the impression that SOMETHING WICKED... was broadcast on British TV and is not comnmercially available (If it were, I'd surely purchase it). I'd love to be able to go back in time and immigrate to the UK in order to watch it but this is slightly beyond my abilities (for now). Someone from the UK recently asked me for recordings of the US show PHENOMENON. Should I refuse? Quote:
does it ultimately matter what or how he does something on tv? I'm not having a go at anyone in particular, just...well...why worry? What if you find out that the band does not actually play on the album? Do you remember The Monkees? Milli Vanilli? Alternately, suppose you go to a concert and discover that the performer is only lip synching and is not actually performing? It could potentially still be a good show in some respect. Are you okay with that too? On 1960s American television, Elizabeth Montgomery and Barbara Eden performed miracles on their respective sitcoms (BEWITCHED, I DREAM OF JEANNIE)week after week. Should they respected as great magicians? Why not? |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I think you can download it legally from e4/channel 4's website...but may be wrong..
the dream of jeannie argument is redundant..sorry... if you think derren is a pure tv/edit man, then fine...you're incorrect, but your opinion is as important as anyone elses...whether you send someone a copy of Phenom, is your own moral choice. don't take any of what I said personally, I believe I'm allowed to remark on an open forum..which is what I did. don't take my own view as a personal attack.
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
I am not suggesting he is a pure tv/edit man - whatever that is.
However he uses the edit and things off screen to fool his TV viewers - it is just another 'almost' invisible compromise. Ant
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Jacquin - I wasnt aiming my comment towards you?!
unless any of us work on the show, or know nyman/brown intimately, we can't really say for certain can we? its interesting though, cos he's been around a while now, no one's come up and said "he didn't do it like that..." regardless of signed contracts, these secrets usually slip out one way or the other..look at all the angel stuff..
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Please call me Anthony I have been meaning to ask are you a fan of he book Demian?
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Sorry, missed off the Mr. before I typed Jacquin...
Herman Hess? Nah...that's abraxas with an A, not my mispelling of the rather lovely Santana album of the same name...it was what I was listening to when I signed up on another forum and it just stuck... Herman Hess - no, Santana - yes, up until about 1976!
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Dr. Eamon Inner circle ------------John Dream------------If you can Dream it, you can Do it! 1317 Posts |
I'm a big fan and think he is a great showman but I have say I find the live shows have a little less impact effects. The tv show are more difficult to explain then his lifeshows... But still he is great!! (At both!)
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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On 2007-11-28 16:33, abraxus wrote: I'm new here so please clue me in on the counter argument. I will then consider accepting your apology. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
There's no apology forthcoming..i was merely stating my own view, as you are...simple..
DoJ argument, is a written sit-com, that told the tale of a witch. Witches by definition have certain occult powers. Good or bad. Derren is neither a witch, nor does he contain occult powers. And I don't see Derren including his mum in any episode either... if you are saying that derren just edits down effects to make them look a certain way and to work...im saying neither of us can say for sure because we're not in on it... I think you have to judge someone on being a great *whatver* by the quality of their output, if their shows sell out, and how long they run...not on an assumption or guess work... my other point was, from my view, people shouldnt be downloading/uploading people's work onto YouPube or elsewhere...just my moral standpoint that's all... you can apologise to me via PM if you so wish (sorry, don't do emoticons)... all the best now!
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2007-11-29 05:22, abraxus wrote: The thing is we can be sure, because sometimes an edit despite the best efforts becomes a visible compromise. The effect with the Chocolate Rolls and the boys from Royston Vasey is a good example. Sure, you gotta be *** sharp to spot it or have a sharp spotter to point it out. Great effect nonetheless. By any means necessary, that's my view. If on TV your real audience is the viewer at home, then edit is one means and for some effects it becomes necessary. Anthony
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