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I'd like to thank you, but the One Who Calls HimSelf Lord will tell me that I'm an idiot.

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On 2007-11-26 18:51, Banachek wrote:

Still one more envelope to go. Let's see how close others came.

As for what it is, I really don't know... I insisted Criss not tell me. Closest I have come is when Criss showed me the folded paper inside via a flashlight so as to make sure one could not really tell what was written.

Nice to see people enjoying the ride Criss set up.


According to the NBC board less than 10% as many guesses for envelope number 2...Basically little or no interest in it. Seems the ride has come to an end. The contest was a Non-contest in my mind since no one really knew the rules to begin with and no one really got to guess at the contents...Even the envelopes looked a little shady and I never saw the million (Like in all of the cool Poker tounaments).
I guess I do feel like I was taken for a ride Smile.......Thanks Criss....
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I can attest that John is a Liberal leaning stuffed shirt Canadian but not an idiot. He just plays one on the Café according to certain unfair criteria and perceptions. In reality (on PMs) John is self effacing and funny and very bright. (For a mathmetician) and I will defend him to the end as being an ok Joe in my book. So what can I say...I'm an idiot.


I know what's in envelope #2. Would someone like my prediciton to hold and verify?
You keep the money. Unless it's real...then we split. Smile
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On 2007-11-26 22:34, Mind Guerilla wrote:
Didn't anyone read the transcript I posted on page 1 of this discussion?

(sigh) I work and slave for you people and I get no thanks.

Mr. Geller did not appear to be trying to guess the contents of the envelope. He was simply wishing Criss Angel success. I think he deserves credit for being gracious and showing some class but not for accurately naming the contents of the envelope.


The truth hurts some on here MG.
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If they were going to air Uri speak about the envelopes they should have let him finish.

This way it's all unresolved, no matter what some "psychic" "skeptics" here seem to think they know about what Uri was saying and would say next.
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On 2007-11-26 18:51, Banachek wrote:
Wow, first off, to win the million one had to mention what was in both envelopes. No if and but's just EXACTELY what was in BOTH. 119 would not count 191 would not count only 911 counts, no pictures of buildings, planes, smoke..no comments about hearing a scream, no mention of numbers, dates...no.. well you get the idea.

Also Uri never said it was a date in the envelope. You are assuming due to the fact he talked about how long he and Criss have been performing. And how close in birthdates (think astrology here) they are and as a result how their thinking is really not that far apart. At least that is what it sounded like to me.

As for the cutting off....first episode the producers were calling New York and having them remove segments videotaped so as to fit the show into the time slot. This was happening as it aired. The last episode was super tight too. That was on reason Jim Callahan's letter of what was in the envelope was removed. All acts were going over time alloted. Criss and Uri had both been told not to elaborate but to get to the point. Criss was doing as he was told. Show what was in the envelope. All Uri had to say was, I see the numbers nine, one, one...

Still one more envelope to go. Let's see how close others came.

As for what it is, I really don't know... I insisted Criss not tell me. Closest I have come is when Criss showed me the folded paper inside via a flashlight so as to make sure one could not really tell what was written.

Nice to see people enjoying the ride Criss set up.


Well said.

There's a good deal of confirmation bias happening here. Had the envelope contained a drawing, some people would try to say that Uri's rambling had something to do with that. If it contained a name, some would have said "Oh, look! Uri used the exact same letters of the alphabet to form his words as Criss used in what he wrote!"

I haven't looked back at the video, but was it not also the HOST who was hurrying things along, not just Criss trying to "cut Uri off"?

I have said here before that I respect Uri more than I expected, despite the fact that I don't agree with the dishonesty of his claims. But I am more than a little surprised at the number of magicians rushing to his defence as if his claims were genuine. Do you hate (or are jealous of) Criss so much that you would rather support anyone but him? Or do you wish so much that your own powers were real that you hope Uri's are, because it gives you hope that you someday can be "real" as well?

It's a fascinating dynamic.
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On 2007-11-27 07:38, Bambaladam wrote:
If they were going to air Uri speak about the envelopes they should have let him finish.


Mr. Geller could not have finished speaking about the envelopes because he never began. Check out my transcript from page 1 of this thread. Nowhere does he say "I sense your evelope contains..." or "Criss, I will now reveal to the best of my ability the contents of your envelope..." or "It's '911!' I'm right, am I not? Open that envelope, you punk, and let the skeptics of the world tremble before my awe-inspiring power!"

This is what he said:

"I knew you’ll challenge me once more…but let me…tell you something: Although we were born 1 day apart- I was born on the 20th of December and you on the 19th- there’s a lot of…a lot of years between us. 40 years. You were 1 year old when I came out with my spoon bending…and I wish…and I wish you a lot of success for…40 years."

It seemed to me that he had completed his thought and had nothing else to say. If he did have something else to say, I think they would have let him say it since he was one of the producers of the show. I assume during the last commercial break the host would have been told exactly what was to happen during the show's last few minutes and whether or not Uri Geller was going to take a crack (or a "gander") at the envelopes.
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So? What does that have to do with the fact people will see and hear what they want?

MG, it is time to start a new travesty. This one is winding dowwwwwnn... can't you feel the heat death of this thread? No big crunch and boom coming... just.... slowing of molecules towards zero kelvin....

We must cross the threshold to a new reality!
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When I do a "Reveal" I don't just come out and say...37!!!!! I usually have some sort of relevant story or weird reason...Why would Uri be so different?
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On 2007-11-26 18:07, Jim-Callahan wrote:
We will see Paolo, what the California Gaming Board has to say about Criss and NBC in the very near future.

Ooh, ooh, can I make another spot-on prediction?

They'll have nothing to say about it. This wasn't gambling, unless you want to argue that you were gambling your reputation by pretending you were about to rise to the challenge.

It was a simple challenge, and you declined it.

If CA had said he'd give you a million dollars if you could unring a bell, or eat 100 hard-boiled eggs in less than an hour, it would have been the same thing -- a simple challenge, not an unlicensed game of chance.

I know grasping at straws when I see it -- they don't call me "Rumplestiltzken" for nothing.
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Seems that NBC went along with the challenge putting them BOTH under it's jurasdiction(sp). IMHO Smile

I never even read that Uri had accepted the challenge but I see CA "Kind of" gave him a chance ..But Jim Callahan openenly wanted a shot and CA denied him an opportunity similar to Uri's.
Bad Karma for CA in the long run.

I AM amazed the Uri got the numbers right!
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Eggman, you keep insisting that Jim declined the challenge. Do you care to elaborate on that? How so ?
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On 2007-11-26 18:51, Banachek wrote:
Wow, first off, to win the million one had to mention what was in both envelopes. No if and but's just EXACTELY what was in BOTH. 119 would not count 191 would not count only 911 counts, no pictures of buildings, planes, smoke..no comments about hearing a scream, no mention of numbers, dates...no.. well you get the idea.


Banachek,
It was never mentioned that to win the million dollars you had to be exact.

And if it was that by definition means CA did not "bust Jim" as Jim never claimed to be able to name exact contents of an envelope he had never seen.

Hell when they locked an item he had seen, in a box he only got close to what it contained.
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This is not a direct hit.

I have seen you perform on several occasions and you never just name the item? Why are you a fake? Is it my right to come to your show and bring my envelopes? Agree or disagree with physic abilities. CA's attempt proved nothing except to make him and every in his camp look juvenile.

I hope to see you soon I will have my envelopes ready.

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On 2007-11-26 18:51, Banachek wrote:
Wow, first off, to win the million one had to mention what was in both envelopes. No if and but's just EXACTELY what was in BOTH. 119 would not count 191 would not count only 911 counts, no pictures of buildings, planes, smoke..no comments about hearing a scream, no mention of numbers, dates...no.. well you get the idea.


Banachek,
It was never mentioned that to win the million dollars you had to be exact.

And if it was that by definition means CA did not "bust Jim" as Jim never claimed to be able to name exact contents of an envelope he had never seen.

Hell when they locked an item he had seen, in a box he only got close to what it contained.
Red 4 weels metal.
This is not a direct hit.

I have seen you perform on several occasions and you never just name the item? Why are you a fake? Is it my right to come to your show and bring my envelopes? Agree or disagree with physic abilities. CA's attempt proved nothing except to make him and every in his camp look juvenile.

I hope to see you soon I will have my envelopes ready.

Shane


Give that Shane a ceegar.

Although, it would be cool to have people constantly popping up at CA's and his Machine's appearances constantly yelling to guess contents of envelopes....
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Shane, those are not my rules, They were the rules that NBC and everyone knew.

Don't assume you know everything that took place at Phenomenon behind the scenes and on other shows related.

I did not say Criss busted Jim?? Not sure why that comes in your discussion with me. Just wanted to make that clear.

If anyone had said I know there are two ones and a nine in the envelope that I would consider a hit. The fact is no one did.

I have a huge disclaimer in my show. I state I am not psychic as you would know if you have seen my show. So feel free to bring your envelopes. Not sure what the purpose would be? To test my psychic ablilities that I state I do not have?? Kinda wierd if you ask me.

A little common sense should tell anyone that you are not going to get a million dollars with a near hit. However, since you seem to want to bring Jim into this, I never saw him have a near hit with the envelopes. Do you know something we do not know?

I'm not saying that a near hit does not mean your not psychic at all. In fact, if someone could do that consistantly I certainly would lean towards the idea they might be. Further testing would tell and seperate statistical chance from paranormal chance. In fact if someone stated that they could could come very close each time. That would be a fantastic claim if they could succeed. Bottom line is, rules can not be changed to fit after the fact.

Anyway, I am off back to work after a wonderful thanksgiving break so this will be my last word on this. It was fun for a couple of days.
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Thanks Steve. I appreciate the fact that you bother to communicate with us (I'm not trying to sound demeaning) Most in your situation don't.
Thanks
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Ditto to what Dave said. You have gone above the call to be gracious in posting here. I appreciate reading your thoughts. (Ha!)
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