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Luke frequently has "outs" for his effects, meaning he can let the effect take another turn for a less-impressive-but-still-better-than-failing effect.
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So, start by the beginning,
I have a question
did you start mentalism with jermay material?
How long did you do mentalism and magic ?
What do you below jermay material ?
Did you read Banachek?
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I started mentalism a while ago when I read some great effects like Diplopia and such.. I also read Banachek's work, such as PK Subtleties and PK Touches. Then I found Jermay's material and was immediately intrigued. so, I ended up ordering his book Buidling Blocks as well as The Coral Fang.
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On 2007-11-26 04:14, r1z08 wrote:
Just FYI, I have seen Luke Jermay, Derren Brown and David Berglas all do the pulse stop routine using registered nurses without fail.


Do they use the same method?
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When it comes o stopping their own pulse I would guess they do use variations on the same reliable method.

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On 2007-11-26 14:40, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
I started mentalism a while ago when I read some great effects like Diplopia and such.. I also read Banachek's work, such as PK Subtleties and PK Touches. Then I found Jermay's material and was immediately intrigued. so, I ended up ordering his book Buidling Blocks as well as The Coral Fang.


May I humbly suggest before you try to tackle Luke Jermay's stuff you first study a classic work like "13 Steps to Mentalism."
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I totally agree with MG just above^

I would also say that the key to getting suggestion based pieces to work, aside from your mannerisms, confidence and delivery of speech, is participant selection. In my eyes this is the hardest part of psych-illusion to get right. How do you learn this?

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I have had every Jermay effect that I have tried work more than fail, and I have a couple of my own that always work. Why do they always work? I use a carefully structured hypnotic language form (based on Ericksonian Hypnosis), and I choose the correct participants. I also believe that it will work. My belief increases theirs.

Hope this may help.
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Perhaps jermay's works is not for you.
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On 2007-11-27 05:24, psychicturtle wrote:

I would also say that the key to getting suggestion based pieces to work, aside from your mannerisms, confidence and delivery of speech, is participant selection. In my eyes this is the hardest part of psych-illusion to get right. How do you learn this?

Wonder words vol.2

I have had every Jermay effect that I have tried work more than fail, and I have a couple of my own that always work. Why do they always work? I use a carefully structured hypnotic language form (based on Ericksonian Hypnosis), and I choose the correct participants. I also believe that it will work. My belief increases theirs.

Hope this may help.



Perfectly stated. They work because YOU are comfortable with them. Belief is essential. Keep in mind, that if you focus all your creative ability on the miss (so that it is not a miss, at all) then YOUR CONFIDENCE WILL GROW. It's funny. It's kind of like sales...

If you desparately need to make the sale, you probably won't "close" it. If you care, but don't seem like you need it, you probably will. Expectation and confidence are the two most important factors in "suggestion" and "selling". It's frightening how much the two are alike.

Like they say, "Fake it, 'till you feel it".

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This is good advice from Sean - I just bought his ebook 'Ponderings' - an excellent buy if you are into Jermay - the only difference is that Sean's effects are practical. Oh yes, and he sends you the stuff you buy.
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I truly am a fan of Luke's work. I have read "Building Blocks", "Seven Deceptions" and "Coral Fang" numerous time. I have gained valuable information and been inspired by a number of his great routines.

My response to Michaelmystic2003's comments is this: Why does it matter if all your routines are based upon suggestion or if they appear to? Believability is all that matters. If the psychological based routines helps you accomplish this great; if not, find something else.

I am a pragmatist. I use methods because they work FOR ME! If they don't, I can't keep wasting my time trying (after giving a genuine effort). I am completely willing to accept this result as my own personal failure with the methods (whatever they are).

It's funny: there is always two sides to a coin. On the one hand, creators say that the methods aren't being confidently performed. On the other the perfomers say they don't work. Both can be true.

Simply stated, find what works for you.

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On 2007-11-26 17:41, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
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On 2007-11-26 14:40, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
I started mentalism a while ago when I read some great effects like Diplopia and such.. I also read Banachek's work, such as PK Subtleties and PK Touches. Then I found Jermay's material and was immediately intrigued. so, I ended up ordering his book Buidling Blocks as well as The Coral Fang.


May I humbly suggest before you try to tackle Luke Jermay's stuff you first study a classic work like "13 Steps to Mentalism."


Yea, or else we'll all be treated to another, "Luke's stuff doesn't work!!!" post. Smile

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On 2007-11-26 17:41, Mind Guerrilla wrote:
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On 2007-11-26 14:40, Michaelmystic2003 wrote:
I started mentalism a while ago when I read some great effects like Diplopia and such.. I also read Banachek's work, such as PK Subtleties and PK Touches. Then I found Jermay's material and was immediately intrigued. so, I ended up ordering his book Buidling Blocks as well as The Coral Fang.


May I humbly suggest before you try to tackle Luke Jermay's stuff you first study a classic work like "13 Steps to Mentalism."


Yea, or else we'll all be treated to another, "Luke's stuff doesn't work!!!" post. Smile

John


I agree. And with no disrespect intended for Luke or Kenton, but all the suggestion stuff and the linguistic patterns should not be considered propriety of Luke or Kenton (since the field of hypnosis and NLP was out much sooner than them - hypnosis especially) and saying that Luke's stuff won't work it's like saying that suggestion or hypnosis stuff do not work...
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I know they work, I am just trying to figure out why they are not working for ME.
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Has anyone attempted to use any of Enrique Enriquez' material along these lines?
Act of Imagination looks wonderful in the add copy, but I would be interested to know if anyone other than Enrique has managed to perform the materal sucessfully.
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Like you said: "Act of Imagination looks wonderful in the add copy"
Just studie some hypnosis and audiance managemant and don't be affraid if a psychological effect doesn't work mix them up with safe effects and you will probebly love Lucks work... (Better then Kenton!)

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On 2007-11-26 04:28, mescalitoeyes wrote:
... a general understanding of psychology is required too.
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Any chance of explaining 'specifically why? I mean, I reckon I could take almost anyone off the street and have them doing Jermay's stuff within the hour, without being able to even spell sykology. They are all tricks after all, and we are all magicians after all, and magicians (in performance mode) are all liars after all.

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Bobser- really? You would be able to teach them a twisted palm without the psychological subtlties? I'm not saying that most of the effects arn't backed up with outs.. but my opinion is that if you are presenting a psychological effect, you should at least know what your talking about.. would you say this isn't true?

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I agree with you mescalitoeyes...

Some of the ideas can be adapted to other presentations which can be very strong as well. In Derrren's series the "Fork Bending" routine has an obvious "parallel" method as Jermay's "Twisting Palm". It is a beautifully performed "illusion" that is probably more fun to watch than to participate. Very clever indeed.

I know Luke was a creative consultant for DB and I guarantee that routine has his fingprints all over it. Same method, similar "psychological setting" needed.

All of us keep going back and forth about these methods, it's like a "hypnosis" thread... Is it real? Does it work? It obviously has for some people (like Luke and Derren).

Sean
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