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MickeyPainless
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***well is he a real human ??***

You have to wonder! Not only is he an incredible magician but he's a top notch marathon runner as well and anyone that runs for FUN make me wonder! Smile
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I can not see the video, says it is private. Has the video been changed since it was posted?
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In the past, Mano has preferred that links to his videos not be posted here. In this case, it might be different, but this has come up in the past.
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As always Mano's sleight of hand is incredible...

but....

I have this question: What is the effect?

The technique is pretty amazing, but if I tried to describe to someone what the effect was, I don't think I would even know where to start. Maybe it's just because I am currently reading Ortiz's Strong Magic that I am constantly thinking through this lens, but I think clarity of effect is very important (not necessarily simplicity of effect... the effect can be complicated, but it should also be clear). And in this case, I found it very difficult to follow along with what was SUPPOSED to be happening.

Brilliant technique, but I really think that the first 20 pages of Darwin Ortiz's Strong Magic should be required reading for all magicians.
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Ortiz should be required reading...However what Mano does in his techniques Ortiz can not teach because this is only unique to Mano...
Mano in the very near future will be releasing a dvd which will reveal all or most of his ideas.....The name as far as I can recall is Mano's Way.....
I hope ths helps
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I can't wait for that DVD to come out! It has to be cool.....
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Vinny, Darwin Ortiz's book is not a book of methods or routines. It is a book on presentational theory, and how to make the routines you have stronger (Afterall, Ortiz is primarily a card magician anyway).

Certainly this looks like work original to Mano, I just think a routine like this would have a diminished impact on an audience, because it is more confusing than magical. This looks more like a for-magicians-only routine, than something that would play for laymen, and I just think Ortiz explains why very well in his chapter about clarity of effect.

The technique is great, I just come away not knowing what was supposed to have happened, so it's great sleight of hand, I just don't think its "magic." Because the effect in this routine seems unclear, and coins seem to reappear for no reason only to hide the existance of another coin we know should have been there, begs the spectator to recognize that there IS a solution (careful concealment), we just don't know exactly what it is. I think strong magic begs the spectator to conclude that there is simply no possible solution.
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Mfeld, I'm not sure how its not clear to be quite honest. its almost a story trick. if he had use 3 silver coins this might not work, but this reminds me of cardini in that the magic is happening to him, not by him.
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The magic was beautiful.

Now put the tar and the feathers down - the history and cultural lesson in the patter needs to be looked at. There is no way that Nepal (Tibet) would willingly pal around with China. Just something to think about.
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Ok, well maybe it's just me that didn't get the effect. If that's the case, then so be it.

Does anyone want to take 2 or 3 sentences and tell me what the overall effect is supposed to be?
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On 2007-12-05 17:05, mfeld wrote:
Ok, well maybe it's just me that didn't get the effect. If that's the case, then so be it.

Does anyone want to take 2 or 3 sentences and tell me what the overall effect is supposed to be?


A good effect can be summed up in one....
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The coins magically fly between magician's finger
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I mean from hand to hand...sorry bad english
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Sure, the magician is trying to do magic with the coins, but the coins are acting on their own will. (one sentence) this routine is more then a single trick however so he tries to do productions and vanishes and make the coins travel but the coins persistantly cause him problems. this has been done to great success by many pro's. I honestly believe only a magician would have a hard time seeing this, in we tend to oeverthink this type of thing
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I think Mano should drop the patter all together and just do this to music. The script as written really detracts from the routine. Or at least shorten it. It felt like the routine went waaaaaaay too long. I dig Mano was trying to create the feel of having "spectators" present and fabricating interaction with the "spectators", but doing so in this case just made the people I sent this link to feel awkward, layman and magician.
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I can understand shortening it down a bit eric
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Hey everyone, Eric and I spoke about this routine a little bit. I just think it is a little long, and I also feel it gets confusing. That doesn't come from just my but from friends I let watch the video. A good routine to start with, I don't believe it should be a finished product. I think it could be more precise on what is happening. For a good feel of a routine where a magician tried to make something happen but fails is Kainoa Harbottle's Evolution from Shell Shocked.

I understand that a lot of people feel I'm harsh on this site or rarely have something nice to say. Perhaps I have a much more harsh set of friends and relatives and I have to deal with them.

With all that said, Mano has great hands, I mostly enjoyed the routine, I just think it could be shortened and cleaned up.

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During a session with Mano, he showed me the routine 8 times,he told me the routine was created for laymen and it is supposed to be a bit confusing,because he miscall the coins at the very biggining of it,that is why he calls it that title which it is the name of the prudution of the 3 coins.

I did not find the routine long at all,maybe because I saw it live.

I think this one is version #2.

Maybe because I have watched the routine that many times live I don't find it confusing, if you ever come across Mano,ask him to perform it for you,this routine live looks like real magic..



Vincent,
I am from China and mentioned what is happening with China,Naple,Tibet, but he knew about that; he told me this just a coin routine where the patter unfold that way as he was playing with the routine and he did not want to start another patter.

Wu.

P.S I notice that we magicians tend to get confuse,especially when we see something knew, you are gonna get more confused with the next routine he'll be posting,it is just Mano's unique style, his coin magic is not like the ny coins guys,sankey etc, it is completely different and that create confusion,right?

P.S I'll let him know about the comments here.
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Yes, but I remember hearing someone say "confusion is not magic." I don't want my spectators confused, I want them to follow and watch magic happen. Magic is the difference in the start of the effect and the end. If you are confused about the beginning then when the end comes the effect will be lost on you. Once again these are my opinions. I know that this is Mano's style and it may very well work for him. If it works go ahead. I just figured I'd give my two cents.

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I understand the idea of magic happening to the magician, and I think it's great. Cardini was amazing. But even cardini knew WHAT was happening, he just didn't know why. In this routine Mano (or Mano's character) doesn't even know what is supposed to be happening and this makes it very difficult to follow.

When I showed this to two of my laymen friends they asked me a question a minute and a half in (while he was performing). They asked why he didn't notice other coin had changed until he pulled the black coin out from in between them. Could he not see it?

Finally, I think the description of the video on YouTube says it all. the description of the video is "Hard to describe,LOL" Confusion is not magic. The idea is cool, but it needs to be streamlined and cleaned up. and while I generally like the idea of magic happening to the magician, this routine is already hard enough to follow without the magician being confused as well. I think this routine could benefit from a guide to tell me what's supposed to be happening.

I simply don't buy that laymen are less confused than I was. I love offbeat plots, I look for them, I perform them. but this one, as is, is confusing
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