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ThomasBerger
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Joel has a terrific idea on his website.
This is the old matrix used on a postcard:

http://members.persuasionfoundation.com/......comments

and a closeup:
http://members.persuasionfoundation.com/......nail.jpg

I am going to try this in the New Year.
Very simple and clever.

Cheers.
Tom
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Thanks for the info.

Very good

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This is a great idea.
It was also published in the Bil Herz and Paul Hariss book many years ago.
I think it is Max Mave idea.
I use it with names of products and everyne in the audience will get
a postcard.
We do it all together and everyone arrives to the same point.

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For those who own Lee Earle's Star Trick ... this would be a very practical way to force the correct "star" on the person on stage.

After the routine, you could then give out the card to all in the audience with your promo info on the back.

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Am I the only one who can't get the links to work?
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The link worked last night, I think its just down right now.
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How is this different than exposing a good Mentalism effect to the masses, and giving them a sample toy to help spread the info further?

Just curious.
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You might want to take this up with Scientific American 1960
where it was first printed.

Also, you could contact Martin Garder, he was
helping companies in the 50's to produce these "tap around" tricks.

Let him know it's just come to your attention.

Tom
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Tom,
Thanks for sharing, the idea is gold for a working performer.
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That didn't answer the question, but thanks for being slyly snide and insulting. I didn't insult you, or refer to your ignorance. I would have thought that was beneath you, Mr. Berger.
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Tom
I viewed this issue as extremely trivial.
You obviously see it as something else.

I am sorry if I offended you.
No hard feelings, OK?

Merry Xmas.
Tom
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No hard feelings. Perhaps my question was misphrased a tad: I am truly curious as to that grey area, the dividing lines between ethical and unethical exposure. I have used similar things, tho much more minor, in the past and wonder where that dividing line is, between exposure and the above.

You are correct, I was unaware of this thing's previous public exposures, but that, again, doesn't answer the question, just gives a further reason to continue giving away the secrets on the chance of a gig or two down the line. I also think the trick is trivial, and is probably a nice stunt to use, by the way. Yet my question keeps popping up in my head.

I'm not making value judgments here, I wouldn't think twice about using the idea if I wanted to...it's the question that interests me.

I think this thread is probably not the best place to have posted the question, perhaps it diverts the thread itself. 'nuff of this, then. Back to the subject.

Merry Christmas, and a prosperous New Year to you and yours.

Tom
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I think I will try this too.
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My "real" job is a sales consultant in the insurance industry and I have used this for years as follows: I have a laminated one pager that on one side has the products and services of my company, contact info, etc. On the back, I have the the square and have the benefits and features of doing business with my company. I use this all the time and it works great. If you are in sales, you may want to give this a try. Good luck.
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On 2007-12-27 11:41, magicman812 wrote:
If you are in sales, you may want to give this a try. Good luck.



We're all in sales ... Smile

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On 2007-12-27 12:44, johncesta wrote:


We're all in sales ... Smile



Well, some of us anyway. Smile
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On 2007-12-22 19:56, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
How is this different than exposing a good Mentalism effect to the masses, and giving them a sample toy to help spread the info further?

Just curious.


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On 2007-12-23 15:56, ThomasBerger wrote:
Tom
I viewed this issue as extremely trivial.
You obviously see it as something else.
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Exposure is only trivial, to my mind, when the "trick" or "method" is so well known as to have already been exposed to the vast majority of the public. Even the widespread exposure of the TT would not qualify, to my mind, despite Penn & Teller's actions. To me, few, if any, tricks or methods would qualify. Perhaps the 21-card trick in its simplest form.

I wonder whether Jay Sankey would agree with you, ThomasBerger, considering his recent product, his "Revelations Shirt."

Description of two of the effects done with it:

"ESP FORCE #1

Using a collection of ESP symbol cards printed on the back of the Revelations Shirt, Max Maven's classic 'Finger Chart Force' is taken to a whole NEW LEVEL OF AMAZEMENT! Watch the video preview to see this mind-bender in action!

ESP FORCE #2

Jay experimented for a long time trying to figure out a way to REPEAT the "Finger Chart Force" and arrive at a DIFFERENT symbol - and Jay figured it out! This repeat demonstration is the ultimate psychic convincer!"

See http://www.sankeymagic.com/detail.aspx?ID=48142

Still trivial to you, Tom B?
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Arnon, actually I still see it as trivial.

I think that if Martin Gardner didn't mind
helping General Foods promote their products with this in the
1950,s I certainly don't have a problem using this in a
trade show as I have already.

In fact, this has been used in some form to promote products
for the last 50 years. It was first published in a non-magician
journal (scientific american) and has been published in many
books available to the public since.

My guess is that it has been used in nearly every tradeshow in the US
and many others around the world for the last 40 years, probably used
by thousands of magicians.

It is probably as public domain as nearly any trick or puzzle out there.

There are promotional giveaways you can see from the 1930's, so it isn't
a new concept to used simple puzzles/tricks to promote products.

So, in answer to your question, I do not see this as good mentalism.
If you do, that's fine with me.

Re Jay Sankey-- I have to say, I lump Jay with Daryl when it comes to foraging around for their 10-15 tricks a year to sustain their lecture circuit living.

These guys sell new tricks every year.
It's a matter of time before this one was regenerated in a new skin.
None of this changes the fact that is was first first published 50 years ago in a public magazine.

And in ending....if jay has a few twists on this and fools anew generation
of people, good luck to him.

But I will still use it in tradeshows and promotions.

Anyway, that my take on it.
Cheers.
Tom
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Tom B:

We obviously have a dramatic difference of opinion about the value of preventing, let alone aiding, exposure.

Have you ever created a new magic/mental effect or principle? I have.

Perhaps I am more sensitive to the value of magical/mental intellectual property than you.

I hope that the overwhelming majority of magicians and mentalists agree with me.

Arnon
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