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I ran accross this a few weeks back. Its not normally the style Id use in a show but it has really proven itself to be a strong strong fact, I'm loving every minute of it. Its based on such a strong subject matter..over our lives being prewritten..fate.

Ive always had a hard time preparing an audience to what they are about to witness for the next hour. Im not the type of act who portrays to have strong powers.. in fact I hated it when audience left thinking I did. I play more of the mediator of events and use 30 audience members who become the stars throughout the show.

Fate made it easy to slowly bring them into strange happenings that youve always heard about, but never witnessed as being proven. For those who don't know the piece, you have five people come onto the stage. Four of them each choose to stand on any of the 4 random tarkets on the stage. You then show 6 poker chips (3 red 3 black) each wrapped in foil to hide the colors. Each of the four members choose a packet and each is unwrapped revealing the color chip they chose, leaving two on the table. You then reveal prediction after prediction about the colors they ended up with, and even what colors were left on the table. Then the kicker is each turn over their target they stand on and it reveals another revelation that had to be fate.

Reading it, doesn't sound particularly strong. But even performing it, you see what they see and it makes your mind spin. Things so randomly chosen (where to stand and what foil to choose) to be predicted with no sense of gimmick or trickery. I did change one thing. Instead of showing the many predictions on each individual laminate card, I have written the predictions on a large dry erase board hanging. The cards seemed to cheap and manufactured. The hand writing on the board gives it more of a personal feel to the audience. They understand it was written beforehand and no funny business.

Anyway, this is a great opener for me. Because it is very upfront, you can concentrate on your performance and its great to give the first impression of your presence without being nervous. Hard to mess this one up, so nothing to be nervous about.

Thought id share my feelings on this. Highly recommended. Would love to hear of any other changes people made. Ive read about using the purses instead of foil. I like the foil.
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I like the effect but always thought that the foil would be to obvious. So after practising I tried to perform it once. Maybe it was my performance but the spectators told me afterward how the foils working was easily figured out. I havent dared tried it since. But ive heard that some people use larry beckers coin purses for the effect. I will probably try that out. My only question is for those of you that have the purses. Can the spectators open the purses and dump the coin / chip out ?


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I would suggest that you may want to look at your performance again. You may have given the foil wrapping too much prominence in the routine. Whatever device you decide to use, remember that the package you have the chip in is nothing more than something to hold the chip. Nothing more or less than that. There is not need to bring any attention to it at all.
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I didn't have any foil issues. In fact, before they pick their foil packets, I mix them up just to assure them that there is no order in the chips, making it seem that much more random. A friend of mine even suggested at one time that you could take each chip and fold it into the packet in front of the audience just to show 3 red and 3 blue. To me it was overkill, as you stated, there shouldnt be much attention drawn to them, but would be a nice touch and easy enough to do.

I also use foil found at party supply shops.. usually a bright color with some sort of print like four leaf clovers. Makes it look more like a package than just foil. I think it may help take some heat off psychologicaly.
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Is this in print or a marketed effect?
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As to the Larry Becker coin purses... no... I do not let them open the purse, however you can dump the coin directly into their palm which adds some conviction.

Oh, and I use Kennedy half dollars and old English pennies instead of the poker chips... just seemed to tie in with the whole coin purse theme... my signs have Copper/Silver vs Red/Blue..

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I also use the Becker purses- and it's no problem, and easier to setup. I also let the spec mix them up first- and as Nicodemus says, you can plainly and openly dump them out for the spectator.

As you've said, a great opener...
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I have a 2-man mentalist show, and my partner uses "Fate" during one of his portions of the act. As he unfolds each foil packet he puts the foil in his pocket in the act of giving the spec the chip. It gets the foil out of view and focuses attention on the chip where it belongs. He's been doing it since the effect came out and it gets excellent response every time.
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I also use the "coin purse" and I also dump the chip in their open hands. Depending on which colour they "choose" I also let them look inside the purse to convince them there's nothing else inside.
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On another note, there is a remarkable open prediction effect called "Fate" in the brilliant Mick Ayres book "Predictabilities"

It's so clean and smooth!

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