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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Thought of cards across gained some popularity recently but all the versions have the same weak spot,that being: you have to get the spectator who thought of the card to name it before the card is revealed so how do you get around this ?
you can get the card named and have a second spectator pull the card out but that can reveal the method depending on how much attention the second spectator paid at the beginning. you can get the spectator to name the thought of card and then show the selection yourself but hey if your the magician shouldn't you already know which card travelled across. if you have any ideas on how to get around this problem I'd like to hear them. many thanks |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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"Thought of cards across gained some popularity recently but all the versions have the same weak spot,that being: you have to get the spectator who thought of the card to name it before the card is revealed so how do you get around this ? " Why does this have to be a weak spot? If you've made something freely chosen move from one place to another with the further restriction of not knowing what it was then surely that is just another level of impossibility. Of course, there are solutions to being able to read the persons mind first, if you really think it is worth it. "..you can get the card named and have a second spectator pull the card out but that can reveal the method depending on how much attention the second spectator paid at the beginning." Again, this depends on your method and presentation of the effect. The second spectator who lifts the selections from his spread may not have to see the faces of the initial cards (the Zen's version for instance). Paul (author of "Across The Void" - which is all about the 'cards across' plot.) |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Hi paul thanks for your response you are quite correct it is all about how the effect is presented and that is what I'm asking.
when you reveal the thought of card how do you get around not knowing what the selection is ? usually the magician will say" for the first time what is the card you are just thinking of" then you hear "your the magician you tell me". this has not happened to me yet but I prefer to have a solution for a potential problem before it happens. many thanks |
magicbob116 Inner circle 1522 Posts |
Could you do the effect with Osterlind's Radar Deck? If they tell you the card, no problem. If they mouth off, then just use the Radar Deck routine to determine their card. Personally, I think the Radar Deck is an awesome routine in its own right. I'm not advocating this as an improvement to either effect. Just brainstorming a possible "out" for the situation warren describes.
B. Robert Pulver
The "I Hate Card Tricks!" Book of Card Tricks Vol. 1, 2, and 3 Kards for Kids Sticky Situations Sleightly Wacky http://www.magicnook.com/magicbob |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Re: "usually the magician will say" for the first time what is the card you are just thinking of" then you hear "your the magician you tell me".This has not happened to me yet but I prefer to have a solution for a potential problem before it happens. "
You say 'usually' then admit this has not happened to you yet. Why should it, because you are NOT presenting it as a mind reading experiment or claiming you can read minds. I think Warren your thoughts are too tied up around the close proximity plot solutions of "The Thought Of Cards Across Project" which are serviceable for the impromptu/walk around conditions they are intended for, but suffer the same weakness in that the packets are not seperated until after a card is thought of. In other versions the packets are never near each other. Magicbob has the solution I would use if I wanted to go the route of revealing the cards that have travelled by mind reading, using specific cards as in Osterlind's Radar Deck or an earlier Phantini idea. Another approach is one detailed by Sean Fields in his book 'X-Rated' called "Gate 99". Personally I think the latter approach whilst clever is too much work and slows down the routine at the wrong time (though it obviously works very well for Sean). My thoughts if wanting to read minds would be to have them concentrate on their cards and you reveal them, THEN make those cards travel from one spot to another, it seems logical that you should know the cards to ENABLE you to teleport the correct ones. But these are all presentational issues. Paul. |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Thanks for all the advise,although it seems to me that if you are making a card just thought of travel from one pile of cards to another pile of cards you are infact combining magic of the mind with magic of the hands.
which I believe is the presentational hook that daryl uses in his effect crossed thoughts. |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Re: "it seems to me that if you are making a card just thought of travel from one pile of cards to another pile of cards you are infact combining magic of the mind with magic of the hands."
Not neccesarily so. That depends on your presentation, and/or the belief state of the audience. Are you doing it in a magic act or a mental act or an act that mixes both. You might be implying you are mind reading to identify the cards to move by sleight of hand. You might be mind reading to indentify the cards then using teleportation. You might present it that YOU are doing nothing at all, but THEY are doing it by visualising the actions in THEIR minds of the tranference and making their visualization reality. Since you never know the identity of the cards, that could be used to back up that claim. The whole point of the early versions of 'cards across' was that the packets did not come into contact with each other supposedly to rule out sleight of hand as a solution. Magic of the mind doesn't have to include mind reading. If performing for magicians you might find versions where signed cards travel are more baffling to them (a la Elmsley, or adapting Dingle). Paul. |
Medifro Inner circle Miami 1258 Posts |
I don't know a lot of thought of card across effects, I only perform one which I think is a very direct and up to point effect.
Its gaffed, Its not cheap, but man its good. Its Strange Traveller by Blaine and Paul Harris. When I had it, I used to do it a lot before the gimmick wore out. Its actually one of very few card effects I do where I don't have a presentational theme in it, its has a very, very strong impact on a laymen. I highly recommend it. 20$ is not cheap for one trick, but man this is worth it. |
wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
A good suggestion I've heard is to say to the spectator, as you gesture to the rest of the audience:
"Tell them what card you are thinking of." My own take on the trick is to have the spectator cause the card to travel via their own thoughts. Since they've "done" the magic there is no reason I should know which on it is... |
warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
Thanks for all the ideas. I like the idea that paul and wsduncan came up with where you have the spectator make the thought of card travel across via visualisation etc.
Many thanks. |
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