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Hi,

I have been in mentalism for a while relying on a few books, which are :
- "13 Steps To Mentalism" by Corinda
- "Practical Mental Magic" by Theodore Annemann
- "Building Blocks" by Luke Jermay
- "3150" by Luke Jermay
- "Sleight of Mind" by Ian Harling and Martin Nyrup
- "Geist" by Ian Harling and Martin Nyrup
- "Psychological Subtleties" #1

I like bizarre magic, suggestion effects, mentalism and cold reading.
I'm looking to expand in those fields:
- Cold reading
- Suggestion (I have the basics)
- Muscle reading
- my mentalism repertoire.

I got Psi series #3 by Banachek as a resource on Muscle reading (I will order soon)

Which books would you recommend? I'm looking for modern mentalism, I find some effects thought in 13 Steps and PPM outdated, but there are still gems inside.

Thanks in advance!
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How long have you been studying mentalism, and, as a separate question, how long have you been performing mentalism?
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On 2008-01-03 20:16, David Meade wrote:
How long have you been studying mentalism, and, as a separate question, how long have you been performing mentalism?


I have been studying mentalism for about two years, I just started to perform mentalism but much of the time I do it for free or to raise founds for causes, because I don't feel experienced enough or I might not be took seriously (I'm 17) I do not claim being a psychic so I call myself a mental entertainer or mentalist. Some people belive I'm a ''mental magician'' others belive that I'm a ''mentalist'', but I don't really care.

I used a lot of principle from the books listed below and I made a couple of routines that I use within a couple of masterpieces from 13 steps and practical mental magic.

I performed Magic for 3 years, but again much of the time I wasn't asking for money, but I got some contacts from new freinds in colledge and I got booked a couple of time.

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Good for you.

Since you're early in your mentalism career, here would be my advice;

Dvd's can be useful to 'see' the mentalism both performed and explained.
Osterlind's original DVD set is a wonderful resource.

Books are astounding in their depth and volume of content.
Barrie Richardson Theatre of The Mind is wonderful.
Peek Performances has been at the cornerstone of my library, and have been since my early days
Psychological Subtleties, Banachek, is a beautiful work.
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Thanks!
I will be looking at those books!

~Athos
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Stunners by Becker has some treasures inside.
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Great suggestions. There is also much to learn from the Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy.

His work(s) can be found at lybrary.com
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At this point, with all those resources you've studied, I'd say go out and perform. And fail a lot. As much as you can. Get some of the worst gigs in some of the worst venues you possibly can. Even free, if you have to.

If you've studied those resources (ESPECIALLY Annemann and Corinda) you'll find yourself getting Really Good Really Fast. I know it's a Sink or Swim principle, but you'll find it works.

And so will you.

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Athos,

Chet is right. You do have plenty of Mentalism material available to you already.
Now, would you like to stand out from the crowd in the world of Mentalists?

If so, then while you're still young join a local theatre group in town, study stagecraft, audition for roles in a local play (large or small). Make friends with hearing the word "No" and then keep plugging away at it. Study how to move, act and emote as a performer. Learn how to project your voice without sounding like you're yelling. Understand what is going on backstage while the show is going on.

Anybody can know how the tricks work, Athos, but very few know how to make their audience marvel at the experience and then go home and lose sleep at night.

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Wow, great advice Chet and Mick!

It can be so easy to get in the viscious cycle of always looking for new effects when the
effect we should be concentrating on is the one we have on an audience.

I've been re-reading Joel Bauer's "Hustle, Hustle" and even though some of it is a little dated (keep in mind it was written and even abridged twice before the boom of the Internet) the attitude and messages within it's covers has really re-inspired me.

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On 2008-01-03 22:46, Mick Ayres wrote:
Athos,

Chet is right. You do have plenty of Mentalism material available to you already.
Now, would you like to stand out from the crowd in the world of Mentalists?

If so, then while you're still young join a local theatre group in town, study stagecraft, audition for roles in a local play (large or small). Make friends with hearing the word "No" and then keep plugging away at it. Study how to move, act and emote as a performer. Learn how to project your voice without sounding like you're yelling. Understand what is going on backstage while the show is going on.

Anybody can know how the tricks work, Athos, but very few know how to make their audience marvel at the experience and then go home and lose sleep at night.

Break a leg,
Mick Ayres


Sage advice from a working pro!!

I have found that my years in theatre have helped immensely. I wish more magicians/mentalists would get involved.

Mick Ayres, I love your work by the way. Your effects are exceptionally well structured and pack a HARD punch. Thank you for them!

Best,
Vlad
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You really need to find what amazes you. If you believe that what you’re doing is something very special then so will your audience. It’s all about pleasing those around you but first you need to make sure it is something that you would even consider as awesome.
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WOW!
I used to be in some crappy forum boards and I'm in awe with the nice advice you all gave me!

Actually my biggest problem is finding material that suits me, because I have my very own style, I like strange stories, audience participation, I like to have a moral to all my effects as well as having a purpose of being there, with precise demonstration with good examples.

I have been performing as a magician so I'm used to stage I passed the stage where I used to be nervous (I'm still but now going on stage is much more an opportunity than hard work). I like to have a lot of presence on stage and making shure that every moment is entertaining.

I have some books that speak with entertainment (Like Maximum Entertainment by Ken Weber). But I still have a lot of road to make!

thanks again!
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On 2008-01-04 09:07, Athos wrote:
WOW!

Actually my biggest problem is finding material that suits me, because I have my very own style, I like strange stories, audience participation, I like to have a moral to all my effects as well as having a purpose of being there, with precise demonstration with good examples.
~Athos


Then you should check out some Rick Maue and Christian Chelman.

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Ant took the words out of my mouth.

Rick Maue's Book of Haunted Magick sounds exactly like what you want. While some of it is truly mind-blowing in applications (i.e., "new") much of it deals with approaches (esp. the section on the "house" Rick ran). It will give you a perspective on changing moves and ideas from Corinda and Annemann (for the record, I don't think the principles in either of those books are outdated but the presentations can be. Since you are new into the field, that might feel like the same but it isn't).

Same thing can be said for Eugene Berger's work and many others.
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Grandpa Chet,

You are right about getting out there and performing. I believe I stunted my growth (magically) for about 3-4 years because my confidence in performing went up and down, up and down.

I finally forced myself to do shows ... a lot of free ones to get in front of people and just do it (to quote Nike commercials). Doing the shows has helped my confidence tremendously (though I still get a little nervous before every performance, which I don't mind, it goes away quickly).

Now that my confidence is there, each show allows me to work on improving my delivery and showmanship, which I am not comfortable with at this time. But you have to start somewhere.

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You'll get good pretty soon, Bobby, if your dedication is as strong as your post sounds. Mentalism, more than any performance art I've come across, requires baptisms of fire and refinement by fire. As much study of the material as we do, as much practicing at the craft of acting, the majority of it is learned in front of an audience. And, crazily enough, the harder the audience, the faster the learning curve.

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After 13 steps and Practical mental magic?........Read "Maximum Entertainment" by Ken Weber and Read "Jim Snack" Succes in Magic Course....and then start build your performing career as a Corporate Entertainer.....after all it is ShowBiz

it is consist if two word...Show and Bussiness

if you only got the Show and there is NO Bussiness...then you just a dabler and/or Hobyyist which I doubt wont go to any level higher than other Hobyyist...since Your Life is NOT depends on your Perfomance

and the list of Books that you got
- 13 steps to mentalism by Corinda
- Practical Mental Magic by Teodore amnemann
- Building blocks by Luke Jermay
- 3150 by Luke Jermay
- Sleight of Mind by Ian Harling and Martin Nyrup
- Geist by Ian Harling and Martin Nyrup
- Psychological subleties #1

is waaaay more than enough to create a solid base and make you Start as a wroking Pro....and now since your confidence is there, I suggest STOP doing Free Show....and start get down to bussiness...since You also spend time and money for becoming who you are today and it's doesn't comes free...and so far the cost of the above Books alone is more than $200.00.....so you shouldn't do anymore free Show?.....


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Athos - if you spend some time working out what your character is, and what skills/gifts you wish to convey/show/share with people, and then use that as the thread that runs throughout all that you do, then I find that helps immensely...

and don't forget, there's so much in annemann's work that is so easily adaptable "story-wise" into pretty much anything you wish...

good luck and enjoy...whatever you do...
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