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Royston South
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Alexa spot on go for it.

I know some magicians feel threatened by any body knowing any secrets, I had a magician complain he would not be able to do kids shows because they would know how it was all done, I would say to any one that thinks that you need to really look at your act.

Magician says teach them Balloon Twisting.
Balloon Twister says teach them Juggling.
Juggler says teach them Magic, Balloon Twisting but not Juggling.
etc etc etc

Let's keep it all to ourselves, and who are we? oh yes Magicians
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I am a kid (17 yrs old.) I do magic professionally now and am able to because I was born into a magician family. I have thought about doing this as well. My thoughts are there are a lot of tricks out there that are already exposed that you can teach, but emphasis patter and routine structure. That way the kids that get bored from actually having to practice don't learn any easy-to-blab secrets and the kids that will go on to perform for family and friends will have a wonderful base education in performance.

By the way, balloon art is one of my main passions. The different twists and techniques are just as much secrets as TT and double lifts and any other sleights you are afraid of exposing.

Alexa

Posted: Jan 7, 2008 6:14pm
Thanks Royston. I've checked out your balloon and magic pics from the Balloon forum and see that you clearly know what I am talking about. I am a professional with my magic, and a professional with my balloon art. I have a lot of trouble respecting entertainers who don't think they need to understand magic to perform it and likewise goes with magicians who twist dogs and it's variants after their show. Do what you're good at, and only offer that.

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Alexa don't worry about "respecting entertainers who don't think they need to understand magic to perform", respect them as entertainers that is what we are, we use magic & balloons as a tool, I have a hammer and a saw but I can't build a shed, YET!! but one day someone may teach me and one day I may get him to build my house I know my limitations.

Keep moving forward, magic workshops is other way to go don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

All the best,

Royston.
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I don't mean to give you the wrong impression. To those who want to learn, I teach what I know and am always able to see how a newbie can teach me. Also, at my tender age, I know that I have plenty more to learn. I just find it sad when entertainers don't want to learn anymore, the rent-a-clowns and such is what I mean. I just don't want to ever become like that.

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Well, I have taught magic before, just not in schools. In the distant past I had classes at Pizza Hut or someplace like that. There is a plethora of things to teach, good stuff that isn't too hard and is "public domain".

What I am interested in is how is the best way to approach a school.
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Look at the web site
http://www.magictherapy.com

"HEALING OF MAGIC is a carefully designed, systematic approach to the therapeutic use of simple magic tricks in physical and psychosocial rehabilitation. It is a viable treatment modality that continues to gain wide-spread support from therapists and health care professionals around the world."

qoute from the website

This would be a way to really help some kids.

I hope to start this program at my high school next year.

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You are going to start a magic therapy program at a high school? Is this a special needs high school and are you an administrator at said high school?
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I don't teach magic, but I have used it in quarterly workshops on the elements of comedy for middle school students. Last semester I added a quarterly workshop on puppetry techniques for their puppet unit.

Next week I will do my first quarter of the new semester.

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I am a middle school teacher and I have an after school magic club. I'm actually slightly mean/rude/serious the first few sessions to weed out the kids that aren't really interested. I only teach from books they purchase (the Wilson course and Royal Road)and heavily stress that they now know age old secrets and they aren't even aloud to practice in front of their dog until the tricks are perfect. Once the "just want to know how it is done" kids have moved on, they actually have very creative minds.
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Children are wonderfully creative. In the 15 years of teaching magic to kids ages 7-17 with the SYM program, I am still amazed with the creativity level of what these young magicians can come up with. Also, at many contests of magic, I have seen that the youth prsent more creative acts half of the time.

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I'm confused...do you folks want to teach the lil' chillins cuz you want to teach magic and cant help yourself or because they are demented little deserted demon children with mental and physical problems and every dang one of them has a condition represented by initials and magic can save them?
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Santa:

I can not answer for everyone else and only for myself. My reason for teaching is simply giving back to magic what I never had. I wished when I was a kid that I had a club I could go to learn magic the right and proper way and in a structured environment that promotes creativity.

I believe and love the ART of magic and feel a lot of times that the art is failing because so many magicians have the wrong ideas of what it is all about. For me, teaching is a way of helping the art I love and take seriously. It is also my way of helping the future stars of magic.

I do not get paid a single dime for the teaching I do and I do not host or conduct magic classes for a fee at camps and the like. I do it through the youth program of the SAM. I would not have it any other way. This allows me to funnel out kids who should not be there and devote my time to those who love magic and take learning seriously.

This is just my own personal views and everyone certainly may have their oen reasons.

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See, that is nice.....
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Because I enjoy it, and it could help business.
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Ah ha! Finally an honest guy! It fo' da money! It fooooo' daaaaa moooooney!
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Not either/or, but for me both/and.

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"The unexamined life is not fit to be lived by a human being." - Socrates


MS: Since we are now playing "hard ball" let's take a close look at things. If it was just "fo' da money!" there would be a number of things I could do that would be much more profitable than teaching magic. I do enjoy it. Both are selfish reasons. While I like the socially positive things about being a magician, and I do a lot of volunteer work, those are not the main reasons that I have for doing magic – and even those have hidden selfish reasons too.

I do magic because I can make a fair amount of money with a lot of time off. I have no boss, I enjoy being in the spotlight, and it is a lot of fun. It also allows me to do those things that produce "warm fuzzy feelings" - i.e. it makes me feel good. Those things that produce “warm fuzzy feelings also produce, to a small extent, a feeling of superiority to those that don’t volunteer.

Yes, I am concerned for children, especially special needs community, and was volunteering for this group long before my son was born.

Does this mean I am purely selfish? No more or less than anyone else. 'Tis the human condition.

MS - since you are examining us, let’s examine your motives for posting this “examination” and your gleeful remark that it is just "fo' da money!". I am not sure why you are focused on the negative side of things - what are you getting out of it? Yes people, especially Americans, like to think of our actions are a bit more “honorable” than others sees them, but why your emphasis on the negative?. You do enjoy raising a ruckus, and it does attract attention (albeit negative attention), there may be a certain amount of feeling "superior" to other magicians involved - what am I missing?

Of course, this whole post could be for the same reasons as yours - -- &^%$&^$*&!!!

Well, as you say,

an honest guy

- but then I am an Existentialist too.
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Santa: I do not want to get this wrong so I will ask you flat out. Are you implying that my statement above is a lie or that I am not truely being honest here? I do not want to put words in your mouth but I do want to make sure I am understanding you correctly.

Because I can ensure you that everything I typed above is 100% true to how I feel about teaching kids magic. It may seem bizarre to you or to others but that is my belief. I teach magic not to make money. I make plenty of money from the shows and solutions I provide to my clients. I teach because to me it is the right thing to do. Magic needs teachers and those willing to teach the youth who are serious about learning.

Now I am not opposed or angry at anyone who does decide to charge a fee to teach. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you are making sure the kids that are there are there for the right reasons. If charging to teach works for you, then go for it.

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It is ok to be in it for the money, I think! AFter all, if you are a professional, then why do this if it is not paying the bills?
Yes, it's nice to like or love what you do! However, you should not be so foolish as to imply that what we do is only to help people. We have to eat, too.
At the same time, we must look at Kyle's reasoning. This is his feeling and we should respect him for it. This is ok.
My question: Why is it in your country you are so judgemental of others or ready to label people..and this is for many here, not just one. Is America the land of the free, home of brave? Is not different opinions appreciated here most of all and RESPECTED?
I think now America is land of the ego, at least that is what this board and the news from BBC tells me...
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Thank you Louis. I do appreciate your comments and thoughts here. I am not implying that my way is the ONLY way or everyone should do or think like me. That would be wrong of me to think that way or imply it. Everyone has to decide what is right for him or her. If you feel you can teach well for kids who want to learn and make money for your magic business, then go for it. That is great. Just for my own personal goals with my magic, I do not want to earn money from teaching. Teaching magic to me has a different purpose and there is a different reason for my teaching the way I do. It simply works for me and what I try to do. Is it right for everyone? no. It is right for me though.

I also was brought up to show respect if you want to gain respect back. I strive to do this all the time. That does not mean people can not have a strong opinion. I have them and I expect others to as well. Nothing wrong with a different viw point. But we can still agre to disagree in the process.

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