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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Hi everyone.
I am needing your help in developing a routine. I am considering using Grant's Magic Teakettle but I need some information. I posted it here in Smooth As Silk forum because part of the information I need pertains to the silk load. Here are the 2 things I need to know: First, I need to know how many different colored pours can be made from the teakettle. The description states that it has a large, two quart capacity, but it gives no reference to how many different colors can be poured. I need to know this so I can figure out the amount of silks/streamers I will need. Which leads me to my second question: What is the size of the load chamber for the silks? I'm not sure how many or what size silks can be produced, and I need to know this to see if I can use the teakettle in my routine. I would prefer to use 18" silks if that's possible. I have also considered using only 3-4 pours and using a long streamer with matching colors for the production. If you have experience with Grant's Magic Teakettle, I sure would appreciate your help on this matter. Even if you don't use 18" silks or streamers, maybe I can dig up Bob's handy silk conversion chart and figure out the load capacity. Thanks! Regan
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Hi Regan,
Mak says many pours are possible, but those are fairly small pours, think shot-glass size. I also think you may be confusing the "Think-a-drink" effect where many called-out drinks from spectators are poured from one kettle, with the Grant's (Mak) Teakettle which is simpler in working. Though it is possible to combine the two different effects somewhat, by the magician deciding upon the type of drinks, or by making a third version of the prop, or using a different called-drink method (look around in Tarbell). You can always double a load capacity by using J. Scott Berry's diamond silks, which play like 18" or 24" but are half the bulk. Magically, Walt |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Thanks Walt. I have just started planning this routine, so I am trying to find out what will work and what will not. I'm still not sure about some things, and I have a couple of different directions I may go.
You are right about the diamond cut silks. If I can't find out the exact load capacity the diamond cut idea will make me feel more secure about ordering the teakettle. Thanks again! Regan
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Regan,
I hunted a photo to send you. Lucy has a "Tea Party" for a goose and rabbit in her stage show. She uses the Tea Kettle. The silks she uses as napkins around the animals necks and they match the color of the drinks poured. (Only Lucy would own the world's only Goose to Goat!) The photo must be in a very safe place! Think outside the tea kettle for drink color. Two quarts seems reasonable. You can even pour the colored drinks back into the tea kettle and then pour out clear water! For diamond cut silks (From the chart I give out at my silk lectures - This week that is in Louisiana. I hope to get up your way in May and June.) -Product ----- Appears --- Takes the --Size -------- to be ---- Space of 9" ------------ 12" -------- 6" 12" ----------- 18" -------- 9" 18" ----------- 24" -------- 12" 24" ----------- 36" -------- 18" I'll email you the full chart for silk substitutions. Use the 12"diamond Cuts that look like 18" square silks. (Another good trick to add to this routine is the 18" four color change silk.) I think the Tea Pot would hold the Line of Silks with 16-18inch silks. that is about a 32' production. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Thanks Bob! I had a feeling you might know about Grant's Magic Teakettle. So, I guess you are suggesting diamond cut silks also. Looks like Walt was right on. Because of that, I assume it has a fairly small load capacity for the silks. That is fine, I just needed to know so I could plan this rotuine.
Also, thinking outside the teakettle for drink color helps me out. I wasn't sure if it was an inside or outside job! Thanks for the information, my friend! Regan
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Regan,
I have my test pilot (Lucy) checking out the load capacity of the Teakettle for other loads. Most should have a cup-shaped load capacity about like an 8-10 oz paper cup. There are two very "showy" production possibilities: Line of Silks and large silk veils. The veils come in 36"x 6ft. and 36"x 9ft. You should be able to load one 9 foot veil or two 6 foot veils. If you are unfamiliar with the Line of Silks, it is a ribbon with sixteen square silks in assorted colors. (It doesn't twist like a streamer does!) They come in four sizes based upon the square silks' size: 9", 12", 18" and 24". Two things determine which load to use. #1. Load Capacity of the prop #2. Stage space available for the production. Size & Production Space (Minimum!) 9" --- 13 feet (Home parties) 12" --- 18 feet (Platform shows) 18" (Best size) --- 28 feet (Great for school stages) 24" --- 38 feet (Theater stages) My test pilot says go with the 18" Line of Silks as the largest from the Teakettle. (Of course, smaller sizes will work too.) Rob Evans (RJE) has a link here on The Café to his show producing the Line of Silks from an (Improved) THIS. It will help you with timing too. (I like Rob's timing.) Trade secret: Never use liquids not at room temperature in your Teakettle. It will either fog or form moisture on the kettle surfaces that will cause the silk to stick to it! Enjoy! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander PS: A Line of Silks is cheaper than making a string of silks (that will twist) from 16 diamond cuts and be a larger production. Knots are bad news too. |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Bob, thanks so much! Wow, more information than I can absorb!
I am not sure of the the silk color(s) I will need yet. I do want the silks to match the color of the pours, but I am not sure how many pours I am going to do yet. The information you supplied will help me decide what to do. If I settle on a couple of colors, the silk veils sound pretty good. Now I knew about the line of silks, but I am not familiar with a silk veil. If they are 5 momme and the teakettle will hold two 36" x 6', then it should hold three 36" silks??? Another thing that is holding me up is a the idea of using a blendo. I may possibly want to do a blendo with the produced silks, so I will have to match those colors too. As I said, this is in the very early planning stages, but you guys have already been a great help. This one was going to be difficult or impossible to plan without some information. Thanks! Regan
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Robert Kohler Special user Fayetteville, Arkansas 520 Posts |
I use my tea kettle with a Blendo routine. First, the kettle produces the 4 colors of the blendo in 4 clear glasses. Then, I pull the Blendo from the inside of the kettle (w/ the white silk) and go into the routine...........
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Thanks, Robert! I am considering a blendo effect as part of my routine also. If I do decide to go that route I'll need to find one that matches the colors I decide to go with. I'll also want to get a good one, so a request for a "blendo reveiw" may be my next inquiry!
Posted: Jan 12, 2008 12:33pm Will someone that has this prop please give me some accurate measurements of it? I need to know the overall height, the overall, longest distance from the spout from the handle (or back of kettle....as I am not sure what type of handle it has), and the widest part of the pot across. I hope that is clear enough. Thanks. Regan
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
From the photo on the Mak website,it's fairly easy to see what model of kettle they use to make this. I found very similar pots are Macy's and hardware stores. So you could seek out the pre-gimmick pot and measure one of those, that leaves you only not knowing the size of the gimmick(s) they insert.
Hope that helps! Walt |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2008-01-09 19:25, Regan wrote: If it will hold two 36"x 6' veils, it will hold 4 square 36" silks! Four colors is the maximum I would pour anyway. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander PS --- Don't forget that streamers in solid colors come in 12"x 12' (equals 4 silks 36' square). Just a note: A 12' streamer is about as large as you can keep off the floor when spinning it in a circle. |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Bob, thanks for the great info!
I think I have decided to go with 3 colors.....although 4 colors are tempting because of my desire to use it in conjunction with a four square blendo effect. I still may do a non-gimmicked blendo with 3 colors??? I'm a little uncertain if 3 colors will look right though. I think four silks to a four-square blendo looks right because it looks like the four silks fused together. I'm not sure if 3 will seem right to me or the audience. Regan
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
This is magic. Is it supposed to look right?
Ever thought of magic as a rehearsed mistake? Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Bob,
Believe me, I think about mistakes often......rehearsed or otherwise! You know, I am usually not so analytical about magic effects, but it just seems I am about the blendo. The 4 square blendo just seems more, "right" to me. I guess it's because the color-size ratio is proportionate. I don't know, it's not that big a deal. I do some blendo-type effects, and I like 'em! By the way, although I do play off rehearsed mistakes in my shows, this is going to be a more serious routine set to music......hopefully...... Regan
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Working with music is simply smart! It keeps the act flowing and "on time". With the Tea Kettle, there are plenty of good music pieces that are appropriate too.
Good Luck! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Thanks Bob! Things I do are not often referred to as smart!
Regan
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REV BILL Special user Glen Burnie Maryland 799 Posts |
Hi Regan, when I used the tea kettle years ago I put a drop of food coloring in 4-5 plastic juice glasses and let them dry over night. Put the spout right up to the cup brim to pour and the water does not appear to be clear but colored. Another neat idea from Ed Jarvis in the FCM is use different colored plastic picnic spoons with dried food coloring.Then you can show the glasses at the beginning to be gimmick free. You can make a kettle gimmick with butter tub and plastic lid to keep silks dry. Just push the lid off on the inside.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
For pretty glasses, you can get plastic stemware that will nest (with the bases off) and fit into a square circle, etc. Simply put the bases onto the glasses as you produce them individually (but before the audience sees them).
My last ones came from Dollar Tree! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
I worked out a way to nest tea-cups from K-Mart for use with my "Seven Sided Herbal Tea Chest" as described and photographed in The Wizards' Journal #16. I can fit two stacks of 5 cups into the Tea Chest, so I would guess that would compare favorably with a Square Circle load (plus the additional stuff that you could fit inside the top cups of the nest). By getting plain white cups and painting them (I use old photos of wild flowers to match the different flavor teas on mine) you can make them look quite elegant.
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Thanks for all the excellent tips and advice! Bill, I am planning on using it as you described (with the dried food coloring). I had not thought of the spoons. That's very clever.
Bob, I have a bunch of those plastic glasses like you mentioned. I have a couple of different styles and sizes. For this routine I need clear, teacups. I went on an exhausting search trying to find what I wanted. I was all over the net, but finally found what I needed at a local shop. I wish they would nest, the way you and Spellbinder mentioned, but these are real glass so I will have to live without that. Regan
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