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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
In my shows Silk to Egg is just a part of 20th Century Silk but does anyone still use a pull for this vanish?
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2008-04-11 07:10, owln_1 wrote: The way I found it to work is to tie a really small knot in a corner of the silk, I use an 18" silk. Place the knot in the palm of the left hand (I am right handed.) and spread your finger and hand out wide and as flat a you can get them, then streatch a little more. Now place the right palm against the left palm and start a circular motion. If you have excessively dry hands, either press your hands together tighter as you move your right hand in a circle. It will eventually begin to ball up. For practice, lick your palm to give you a heads start, so you see and feel the working of the silk. I don't suggest licking during a show, although in a pinch it works. It is really a matter of confidence and knowing it will happen. Once you make it work, you will know it is possible and then be able to do it more often. Good Luck! Posted: Dec 16, 2010 3:48pm I for one think the old Hank Vanisher is the best most magical device to vanish a silk, can be done close-up or on stage. The best part nothing is left to ditch or worry about and you can focus on the presentation. Morrissey Magic still makes a nice aluminum model http://www.morrisseymagic.com/morrissey%20closeup3.htm Another effective vanish of a silk is Abbott's Rabotine http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-Rabotine-ABBrabotine.htm and they sell a larger model called Chinkotine http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-Chink......tine.htm |
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Donal Chayce Inner circle 1770 Posts |
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On 2010-12-16 09:47, Bob Sanders wrote: Pat Page used to say that this trick makes or breaks on the vanish of the silk. I've taken his insight to heart and, as a result, I will only do a bare-handed vanish when performing the 20th Century Silks, one that allows both hands to be shown empty simultaneously. Since this is an open forum, I won't tip the method, but I will say that it is somewhat along the lines of Bob's inquiry. However I don't stuff the silk into my closed fist. Instead I fold it into small packet about 3" square then clearly and cleanly place it onto my open palm. I slowly close my hand, make a magical gesture, open my hand and the silk is gone. You know the rest of the story... |
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indomagic Inner circle 1140 Posts |
I love to use Appearing Cane to vanish the silk.
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
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On 2008-01-13 18:02, Harry Murphy wrote: ...Great advice-Pack small play big-try this method if possible Brent |
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
Here's the greatest little secret untility silk prop ever, in my opinion:
http://www.silkkingmagic.com/Rice's%20Palmo.htm |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I agree that the Palmo by Rice is the best silk around, you can vanish, change, produce with this utility gimmick.
The problem is that many of todays novice magicians are not interested in sleight of hand magic. I see so many times that most beginners cannot even handle a TT properly and have no idea how it should fit or work as a secret gimmick. It takes some practice to utilize a hand gimmick. That is why there are other alternatives to vanishing a silk that even the most un-talented novice can utilize in his show. There use to be a great made Tarbell Cone made, that is also a wonderful utility porp for the novice. Wish a good one was made today. |
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
To quote wmhegbli:
"The problem is that many of todays novice magicians are not interested in sleight of hand magic." In my humble opinion, if this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it isn't, then our art of magic is in SERIOUS trouble! This statement, in and of itself, deserves a major discussion here on the Café....... |
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Donal Chayce Inner circle 1770 Posts |
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On 2010-12-17 15:10, wmhegbli wrote: While I agree that the Palmo is a terrific gimmick for silk magic, if I align your comment with the subject matter of this thread I must then say that I don't believe it's the best option for the vanish of a silk, at least in connection with the 20th Century trick. I say that having used a Palmo for that very purpose for more than two decades. What makes it a less than ideal solution is that: (1) it does require a type of sleight of hand/manipulation that's not 100% natural in appearance; and (2) you can't show both hands empty unless and until you ditch the gimmick. Because of that, while the audience may not know about the gimmick's existence and may not see the the actual dirty work happen, they'll likely know that "he just did something" when it occurs, with the end result being that their potential experience of "magic" gets reduced to "trickery." Skillful trickery, perhaps, but their awareness of such trickery connotes for them a method nonetheless. Also, once the hand (supposedly) containing the silk is shown empty, the audience's attention will go immediately to the dirty hand, making an invisible ditch (psychologically, if not literally) prior to then all but imperative, and masters of such ditches are few and far between. Again, it was Pat Page's comment that got me thinking about this. When I did, I realized that in 40 years I had never seen a single performance of this particular trick in which the vanish of the silk was truly magical. Each performer used either some sort of tricky-looking prop (a cone, a box, a change bag, etc.), or a gimmick that required tricky-looking manipulation (a hank ball, Palmo, dye tube, etc.) or the simple ball-it-up-and-palm-it-off method (which IMHO is better than going the cone/box/bag route but even less satisfactory than the hand-held gimmick method). When I mentally put those performances along side of Michel's (Vernet) repeat vanish of a silk via his holdout, for example, or John Carney's visible vanish of a silk from his bare hands ala Al Baker's lightning pull, there was simply no comparison. I therefore came to the conclusion that, if I was going to continue to perform this trick, it would behoove me to vanish the silk using a similar method. So that's what I do. Mastering either of these devices is not easy; indeed, it takes as much--if not more--practice as any of the more mainstream sleight of hand methods. I'm barely at the competent stage with a holdout, and it's taken much more practice to get there than it did for me to get good with a Palmo. For me, Pat's observation translates to this: If the vanish of the silk appears magical, its reappearance knotted between the other two silks will likewise be experienced as magical. The less magical the vanish, the less magical the reappearance. |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Dick Stoner made 4 video catalogs of magic, on that tape, he vanished a silk using Palmo. But then he blew me away with the use of a well table top. By picking up a wand and gesturing toward the hand holding the silk it was gone completely. Both hands were shown empty with the exception of the wand in the hand.
Now, you really have to see the video to believe the cleaness of this ditch. The hand did not touch the table top an is above the surface, and no flash was apparent. True it uses an expensive table prop, but is cheaper then a holdout, and the required learning curve. Again I refer to my comments above on novice performers. Anyone can use any methond they wish to vanish a silk, that is why there are a number of choices available on the market. I believe in the end it is all in the hands of the performer and what he believes to be the best solution for him. There is currently a Silk Vanishing Wand that I have been working with for several months, talk about magical. Tap the silk and it is gone, just like magic. It of course uses a smaller silk, but is very effective for the vanish of a silk. |
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
Sadly, the old egg shaped silk pull vanisher has apparently fallen into disfavor. Too bad, as it looks quite magical and leaves the hands clean for display.
I remember seeing Mark Wilson do this back in the early 1960's and it still leaves a strong impression! Regards- JNeal
visit me @ JNealShow.com
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
The egg pull is still viable if one realizes how to acquire it into position, properly hook it up (so it does not hang out the back of the coat!), and time the vanish properly.
One nice variation on the egg pull was cloth bag with a ring sewn in the opening. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
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On 2010-12-17 21:41, hugmagic wrote: Easily made with a rubber "O" ring from the Garden Hose dept of your hardware store and the tip of a flesh tone nylon stocking. Attach to elastic cord or monofilament. Best part is that it folds tiny before use, something I could never get the metal pear to do.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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silking Loyal user 213 Posts |
Another good vanish is a double paper bag. Does not look like a prop,can be torn in half,and the silk can change to confetti of the color of the silk as a added surprise.
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Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
You can also use a Vernet Universal Pull to vanish an 18" silk too and they are cheap, around $6 bucks or so.
But as long as we're talking vanish, why not talk about the "appear"...after all, it's the climax of the trick, right? For my 2 cents worth, the most magical-looking 20th Century Silks appear is hidden in Albenice's Reel Magic.....and it's a beaut!!! |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
My recently published "Free Will 21st Century Silks" from The Wizards' Journal #20 (on my site), uses a plastic coin bottle for the vanish. A spectator freely chooses which one of three differently colored silks to vanish and tucks the chosen silk into the coin bottle. The lid is screwed on tightly and the spectator holds it. The remaining silks are tied together. When the magic happens, the spectator opens the coin bottle he has been holding all along and searches inside it for the silk, but it is no longer there. You know the ending.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Wmhegbli writes: "The problem is that many of todays novice magicians are not interested in sleight of hand magic. I see so many times that most beginners cannot even handle a TT properly and have no idea how it should fit or work as a secret gimmick."
I've demonstrated magic in three or four magic shops over the years, and whenever we sold an item, we took the time to take the customer aside and go over some nuances of the trick that might not have been explained in the instructions. This was true whether the customer bought an expensive item--like a dancing cane--or something cheap--like the penny to dime. Often we would even add something not in the instructions, like delaying the reveal of the penny to dime to provide misdirection for slipping the gimmick into a pocket. (I did some of these "extras" once at an IBM meeting and surprised even some seasoned performers.) However, with the demise of brick and mortar shops, there is little opportunity to add "that extra touch." Still, we tried. When a local magic shop put out their own version of the dental dam coin penetration, I designed a special, illustrated instruction sheet and included a small cork in the package to aid the purchaser in setting up the trick until he/she could develop the finesse to set it up without the cork. At one shop I worked in, I presented a mini-lecture called "Commercial Card Fans" to teach a basic thumb fan and three or four tricks that could be done with a fan. I had the technique down to the point where I could teach someone to do a simple, basic thumb fan in under 30 seconds, just by making sure that the right kind of cards were used, the position of the deck in the hand was just right, and the motion of the hand making the fan was precisely explained. At the end of my mini-lecture, every person who attended was able to do a thumb fan. Each person also got a copy of my "Commercial Card Fans" lecture notes. (The title of the notes was a word play based on the title of the Goodlette Dodson classic _Exhibition Card Fans_. I wanted to show that there was value in being able to fan a deck of cards that went beyond the mere exhibition of skill.) ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez Side note: One of the effects in my fanning lecture was based on a Jerry Andrus effect I had seen in a 16mm silent film of Jerry's card flourishes. Jerry had a card selected and returned to the deck. He then turned over the top card--an indifferent card--and placed "it" face down aside on his close-up pad, which you may remember was a thick pad. Then he made a double fan with the rest of the deck and placed it on the table. The indifferent card was placed at the top of the tabled double fan and by striking the fan's base, the face down card flipped face up. I worked out a way to do the effect with a standard single-fan without the thick pad. Jerry was impressed when I showed him my adaptation.
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2010-12-17 19:26, JNeal wrote: You do know that some of us actually do use an egg (not a pull) to vanish silks? Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
I like either the silk poke or
silk to cane for the vanish |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
For the cane, life is easier using a true diamond cut silk. AND! It also means that you can use 24" stage size 20th Century Silks!
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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