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Mugician New user 63 Posts |
When I ordered this trick coin I didn't realize that the back side of the coin couldn't be shown to the spectator. I don't know the maker of the coin I have (I'm at work and don't have it with me) but I thought someone made one of these trick quarters that can be viewed from any angle. I am somewhat disappointed in this coin. Does anyone else use this quarter that I'm speaking of?
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bizarrewreck New user Fort Collins, CO 51 Posts |
I don't have the particular coin you're talking about, but I believe I saw a coin where you can show both sides over at magicfact.com
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richgerb86 Loyal user Reading, Pa. 204 Posts |
Sasco makes one that can be shown on both sides. Before you get that one try the one you have now. Personally it is my favorite. You can get a great routine from the book "The Magic of Michael Ammar", and it is also also on one of his videos, I think it is "Magic Mastery & you" , but I am not sure. Ammar has a great way to switch in the gaff, it is a good routine.I think the spring hinged coin you have gives a better presentation & less problems with angles. There is no need to see the other side of the coin. Hope this helps.
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
All of my “cigarette thru” coins are homemade. Once the cigarette (or pencil, or feather, or Crayola, or whatever) is halfway through the coin it may be seen from all sides.
I understand that the Camirand Academy sells a coin that is fairly angle proof. I am not sure but I believe that it is made the same as my humble home made versions. It is called the “Belanger Cigarette through Quarter and comes in either the USA Quarter or Canadian Quarter. The Academy can be found at : http://www.camirandmagic.com
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richgerb86 Loyal user Reading, Pa. 204 Posts |
Sasco makes one that can be shown both sides. Before you get that one try the one you have now - personally it is my favorite. You can get a great routine from the book The Magic of Michael Ammar, & it is also on one of his videos, I think it is Magic Mastery & you. Ammar has a great way to switch in the gaff, it is a good routine.I think the spring hinged coin you have gives a better presentation & less problems with angles.There is no need to see the other side of the coin. Hope this helps.
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Jason Wethington Special user Orlando, Fl 615 Posts |
I agree with richgerb86, the one you have is the better version. The other gimmicked versions can't be shown during the penetration either (except for the version with just a hole in a quarter). The version in the Ammar book is actually David Williamson's handling if I am not mistaken. Don't give up on the gimmick you have, it is worthwhile.
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Chuck Wonsik New user 21 Posts |
I think you may be talking about one that I have that is hinged, that you can show both sides. The thing you may not realize is,, you can't show both sides AFTER you put something thru. Only before. It's hard to imagine without seeing one, but this makes the one you have, have less of a problem with angles. Don't give up on it. There is a place for both of them!
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
Mugician,
If you think the variety you have won't work, think again! The coin used by Copperfield on his television special was the variety you own now! It created a clamorous reaction. That coin could not be shown on both sides prior to passing a cigarrete through it. Furthermore, Chuck Wonsik shares the truth on the coin that can be viewed on both sides. The angles are scarry! the small hinge you have now is replaced by the entire size of the coin! Think about that. Harry Murphy's home-made method is my favorite! I have a few I made and with good handling, I not only forcefully push a pencil through the coin, but show it on both sides. A little drama helps. You ought to hear the rippin' sound as my left hand pulls the coin away and off the pencil. I then toss the coin on the table for examination. Did any of you ever see Doug Henning do a feather through quarter on Johnny Carson's 'Tonight Show'? They loved it! |
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
The coin that can be shown on both sides is as far as I know an invention on Gerrit TenCate, a Dutch precision manufacturer.
While his name is not known overseas, his work is a standard in Holland, Germany, Belgium and a lot of other European countries. It has the same advantages as the coin you own now and adds the possibility to show it both sides BEFORE and AFTER the penetration. Not DURING... To all of you who prefer the "camirand-style coin" I can understand, it has very nice advantages too. But that gimmick doesn't allow you one very importatant moment: The slo-mo extracting of the cigarette and the visual healing of the coin. Ten Cate makes these coins in 50 eurocents now and they are the best cigarette coins I have ever seen. Keep it in your wallet and you will spend it without knowing...
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Jim Tighe Veteran user West Virginia 363 Posts |
Check out Garrett Thomas version of the Cig thru Coin (he actually uses a pen) on his video. It uses the one you have (Johnson makes them) and is excellent.
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
I have a nice routine using the coin you now own in an upcoming issue of Genii - watch for it, you'll use it! - Michael Rubinstein
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Mugician New user 63 Posts |
Don't get me wrong, I like using this quarter but in some close up situations I've been asked to turn the quarter around so that they could see the cigarette coming through the other side. I'll keep trying with this one and I appreciate all teh advise.
MSR or whoever can answer this, where can I get Genii? Is it a magazine that requires a subscription? Thanks. |
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Yes, Genii is the oldest independent magic magazine in America (I know this because it says so!) a subscription is a good thing.
Check out Garrett Thomas' "Any Questions" tape. It has a quarter routine that is so good, people are too stunned to say anything. There is a point here, too. If people are asking you things like that, consider tightening up our script so that they have less time to think for themselves. I don't mean doing it faster necessarily, just give them more to think about. Finally, if the question just seems unavoidable, ask yourself if you're doing something to direct attention to the back side. The effect is astounding from the front, and that should be eough to hold their attention. Okay, really finally. You can do this. Paint the backside silver. Make it a point to flash the silver side (you'll be surprised how slowly you can do this) BEFORE anybody asks. This seems to be more of an issue with the cigarette than with the pen. Wonder why that is?
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Dan LeFay,
You stated: "The coin that can be shown on both sides, is as far as I know, an invention on Gerrit TenCate, a Dutch precision manufacturer. While his name is not known overseas, his work is a standard in Holland, Germany, Belgium and a lot of other European countries.". I'm confused. Is Gerrit TenCate's quarter similar to either the Johnson product or the Belanger version, or, is it a third version? Cutis, While I have never felt the need to paint the back of my Johnson (I'll let you figure out what my Johnson is), it certainly is a obvious alternative that makes me think to myself: "DUH! Why didn't I think of that before"? Way to go, Curtis. I guess I just never had anyone ask to see the back side of the coin during the performance and the switch at the end is soooo natural, they never have to ask afterwards 'cause they immediately grab the quarter as it is dropped to the table. Turk
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts |
Turk,
TenCate's coingimmick is a "third" version. I suppose it is not frequently seen in the US because Johnson seems to be the standard. Here in europe a Johnson cigarette coin is of no use because they only make the gimmicks in US currency. So a very few european craftsman started making them in european currency, TenCate was one of the first. (He has made a lot of stuff for the late Fred Kaps) He came up with his version of the cigarette thru coin while experimenting with the flipper pinciple. I just called him to ask when he came up with the idea and he said it must have been about 20 years ago. He admitted it never was massproduced for overseas because it was more work than the "common" gimmick. In FISM '88 in Holland he sold a bunch to Howard Schwarzman. Howard might be the only dealer who carried this version, but I'd be surprised if he has some left... Though his gimmick is a technical marvel I do not see any reason why you should have a gimmick that can be shown on both sides. I completely second Curtis' suggestions on tightening your script. I also must admit I am spoiled. In Holland the TenCate version was the standard so we never used the "open gimmick". Since the TenCate version works with a rubberband it's a little looser than the spring-type gimmick. Added advantage is also it will never break down. If the rubberband snaps just use another and the gimmick is as new! Just to wet your appetite I can tell that another (younger) craftsman here in Holland has made a folding coin without the tell-tale edge (for the rubberband). Overkill? Defenitely! But I can't help admiring people that never stop to improve technical methods.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Thanks Turk, but I'd be remiss if I did not point out that the idea of "painting the backside of your Johnson" is not my idea. Only a woman would suggest such a thing, and as far as I know, this idea is from the lovely magicianne Autumn Morningstar.
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Believe it or not, you don't even have to paint the backside of the quarter and you can STILL show that backside with the cigarette sticking through. I saw Mullica do this on one of his tapes and I couldn't believe that nobody noticed anything strange about the backside, so I tried it myself professionally numerous times and it works as long as you turn the coin around smoothly and somewhat quickly.
I no longer do this, though, because I now use a feather (I remember seeing Henning do that on T.V. eons ago) and there's absolutely no reason to show the backside in that case. The feather is the ONLY way to go in my opinion because it's more magical looking than any other object penetrating through the quarter and I've found that there is absolutely NO heat on the final switch. Because of the construction of the feather, you pull it all the way through the quarter instead of pushing it in and pulling it out the same side, and spectators see it visually melt through with no evidence of a hole afterwards. Again, I've found that after the penetration is complete, there's no heat on the switch for the normal quarter because your hand holding the feather does not obscure the view of the quarter during the entire penetration. Based on my experience, many spectators do conclude that you switched coins (even if they don't know how) if you use any other object like a cigarette or pen, I believe because the end of the penetration isn't as visual. |
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coinlover Regular user 107 Posts |
I got a lots of cigarette thr.coins.Your version is much better than the both side version. Believe me, add a little sleight of hands you will have miracle.
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Mugician New user 63 Posts |
Thanks for all the tips and confidence builders. I'll continue working with this coin and develop a quicker switch at the end so that if anyone asks, they can look at my backside....er, of the quarter.
Larry, do you use any particular feather when you do this? It sounds like a great idea and I think I'll give it a try. |
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Blumanfry New user 12 Posts |
I was talking to one of my friends and he said that there's another version that can be shown on both sides, and better angles than both of the above mentioned. It cost's about $300 or so though.... better to stay with the one you have..
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