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I was at a party over the holidays and an old guy was doing a neat vanish. It looked very familiar I thougth but he mentioned it later to me as the "Scissors Vanish." I believe I've seen it before but as the ROPS, it was very similar, extremely even. Anyone know about these things?
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Here's the source for the Scissors Vanish:

Apocalype Vol 4 No 10 Oct 1981
Scissors Vanish (Robert L. Brooks): coin vanish

I found this on:
http://magicref.tripod.com/booksjr/lorayneapoc1.htm

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There's a lot of similarities. The handlings are different and the execution of the ROPS is far easier than the Scissors Vanish. The Scissors Vanish is not overly complicated it's just that the ROPS is easier to initially get down.

Brooks told Lorayne that he had been doing it since 1950-51.

pm me if you have more detailed questions. I hope this helps.

Dr. Rubinstein were you aware of this move?
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Thanks for the info. I didn't think either were particularly complicated just that they seemed quite similar. I'm not sure whether or not Doc was aware of this move but who knows. I would think he would have happened across it in his in-depth work in presenting such moves of his own. But I don't remember any particular connections made in regard to his ROPS on his materials, not sure though. Anyway, I was just asking. Hope to hear more about it to be sure. Thanks.
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R.O.P.S. technique evolved from my variation retention pass, which in turn evolved from Al Schneider's snap back vanish, published in Al Schneider on Coins, 1975. All use the thumb and second finger to effectuate the move (with Al's using more the second finger and less of the thumb, mine is the opposite), and is unrelated to the scizzors vanish. My variation retention pass and subsequent R.O.P.S. technique was developed in 1979, after seeing Roth perform his own retention vanish. I released my retention technique in my first set of lecture notes in 1983,after I published my old material in my book in 1982, and began to show my unpublished ROPS technique and applications at that time to notable magicians both in Europe and the USA. It helped me to win first prize in the Bologna International Close up Competition (FISM judges) in 1983 as well. I finally taught the technique first in the West German Master Coin Technique video series in 1985 (now the Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights), and later in my Magic Castle Lecture notes from I believe 1985 as well. There has never been another steal out there that uses the same mechanics. I claim no originality for steals from an open or closing hand, but this one, and its many applications, are not related to others that may have been published. Its mechanics are unique and my own.
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Thanks Doc for chiming in here on this. Again, I just found it similar and wondered out loud. I do understand your mention of such "uniqueness" and as such any differences you found to be different enough to speak toward any particular ownership. Especially as it refers to the applications you developed/progressed from the move.
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The ROPS move is incredibly strong, and I suggest that everyone seek it out for possible inclusion in their arsenal of sleights. I use the move in a couple of effects and I've found no stronger vanish for the particular points in the routines where I use the move.

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I tend to use it in place of a spider vanish ( I never liked those at all ) and almost always when iv done a retention previously
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