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Magiguy
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On 2008-01-26 19:54, ElliottB wrote:
Aha!! I was wondering why I couldn't log in. Well, I'm a subscriber and even an occasional advertiser, so I hopefully I will be able to get back in soon.


You simply need to re-register and you will, indeed, be back in.
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On 2008-01-26 11:26, Magiguy wrote:
Randwill,
Lurking simply means that you can visit the site, browse the topics and read the various posts. You do not log in and you cannot post replies.
I've been around long enough to know what "lurking" means. What I didn't know was that I needed to re-resgister to do it. Thanks.
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At this point, the new forum claims to have 559 total members.
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On 2008-01-26 18:28, bsears wrote:
What it means for me is: I think I may have to start spending more time there, rather than here. real names equal better discussions in my book.


I agree completely with the use of real names... um... "bsears".

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I'm sure Richard has good reason for doing what he did. As for it costing him money, I wouldn't have thought it will make much difference.
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Well, I subscribe to Genii, and I do not think I even posted to the forum until recently. I just wonder why he even bothers allowing lurkers. So that it entices people to join? In order to keep people coming to the website? Why not just make it completely private and closed? It is, after all, a magic forum.
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Not sure I see the benefit ... what if a nonsubscriber had something worthwhile to contribute to a thread? Now they won't be allowed to - who gains by that?


PLEASE NOTE:

I think Genii is well worth subscribing to, forum or no forum.
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Registrations appear to be increasing at about 50 a day. Now 872 is reported as forum registrations.
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I just sent an email to Susie Taylor at Barry's and asked her to forward it to Richard.
I would suggest other over-the-counter readers may want to do this with their dealers, rather than asking them to take time to call or write Richard. I'm sure these folks have more important things to do with their time than to drop what they are doing to call or email about this.
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I think requiring a subscription to be able to post is an attitude thing, not good business sense or good magic-friendly sense. It seems like RK took some past posts in a personal way and is trying to limit future (perceived) "attacks" because of that. It's personal, not professional.

One person's read on things...
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I tried to renew my subscription a few years back and had such a hassle I finally gave up.
I do purchase when I can, but to have a dealer go through this hassle is, well a hassle.

I just deleted the link to Genie forum and all is well.
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Reese (Tim), I see no evidence to support your conclusion. RK is not a thin skinned individual. He is no stranger to vehement arguments and very public confrontations. Given his history and personality, I see no reason why he would shy away from any attack - perceived or otherwise.

He is, however, very concerned with quality. The Genii Forum takes no advertising and is not an income generator. Consequently, the choice to simplify its maintenance is a reasonable one. By restricting membership, there can be a higher signal to noise ratio; and by actually knowing who is posting, you can eliminate the trolls who come online solely to create problems. (For example, when the Café goes down, there is an influx of posts on the Genii forum by non-regular members. Sadly, RK and the moderators often have to go in and clean up after them as the level of discourse does not reach the standards typically found there.)

I find it interesting that the title of the thread refers to people loosing the "right" to post. When did posting on a privately run forum become a "right"?

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I find it interesting that the title of the thread refers to people loosing the "right" to post. When did posting on a privately run forum become a "right"?

Brad Henderson


I just took it as meaning "can't post any more". "Lose the right to ..." is probably better, because "Can't ..." could mean there's just some sort of internet/computer malfunction taking place.

"Lose permission to post" or "lose the privilege of posting" would convey the meaning, but they sound kind of snotty, which is not what I feel RK is trying to be.

I guess it must just be a maintenance issue. I have no idea how much time RK had to spend deleting posts from spammers etc, but restricting the right to post will certainly cut down on it.

(And as I said before, Genii is worth it forum or no forum.)
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On 2008-02-12 01:05, truthteller wrote:
Reese (Tim), I see no evidence to support your conclusion. RK is not a thin skinned individual. He is no stranger to vehement arguments and very public confrontations. Given his history and personality, I see no reason why he would shy away from any attack - perceived or otherwise.

He is, however, very concerned with quality. The Genii Forum takes no advertising and is not an income generator. Consequently, the choice to simplify its maintenance is a reasonable one. By restricting membership, there can be a higher signal to noise ratio; and by actually knowing who is posting, you can eliminate the trolls who come online solely to create problems. (For example, when the Café goes down, there is an influx of posts on the Genii forum by non-regular members. Sadly, RK and the moderators often have to go in and clean up after them as the level of discourse does not reach the standards typically found there.)

I find it interesting that the title of the thread refers to people loosing the "right" to post. When did posting on a privately run forum become a "right"?

Brad Henderson


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If you take the janitorial/maintenance viewpoint into consideration, then it makes good business sense.

I just have the (very) subjective feeling that RK threw the baby out with the bathwater with this change.

The change doesn't effect me personally so I shoulda probably shut my yap to begin with.

Oh well... that's what happens when you post on a forum while driving, it's reckless to post & drive at the same time.

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I just have the (very) subjective feeling that RK threw the baby out with the bathwater with this change.
Tim

Everybody who is still on the Genii forum is happy with the current state of the forum.....the number of posts are still about where they used to be....and the quality of the posts is excellent.

Most folks use their given names, and even if they don't they are usually known to the rest of the forum.
EVERYBODY is known to the moderators.

There have been no flames since the change, and posters remain civil even when disagreeing wholeheartedly.

Really a pleasant place to visit. And no baby got thrown out with any bathwater.

The only folks who seem to have a problem with what happened are those that don't subscribe to Genii, and aren't on the forum.

For those who ARE on the forum, all is well.
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Update: Mr. Kaufman has decided he liked the increased activity of having more than just subscribers on his forum. The registration restriction has been lifted.
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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On 2008-02-14 12:05, silverking wrote:


Everybody who is still on the Genii forum is happy with the current state of the forum.....the number of posts are still about where they used to be....and the quality of the posts is excellent.


It looks like "everybody" wasn't really everybody... Fr'instance Mr. Kaufman wasn't ultimately happy with the the state of the forum. Gotta hand it to him; it's a big man that can admit things aren't working and then immediately make changes for the better.
Tim
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I think more active topics makes for a more lively board. The Genii Forum is a completely different animal than the Magic Café--there are so many posts here that it would be impossible for myself and two moderators to keep track of them all.
The Magic Café is also not associated with a magazine, and it accepts a huge amount of advertising. It is, in other words, a money-making venture. The Genii Forum is not, though we will have some limited advertising in the near future just to help pay for some of the software upgrades and so on.
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