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Gary Yin Elite user Sabah, Malaysia 449 Posts |
Hello,
Just wanna ask why those pro coinmen won't compete in the FISM? Like Roth, Latta, and the others? |
Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
Not that I'm speaking for them, because I'm not, but my opinion is why should they? They've got nothing left to prove to the magic community. They paid their dues back in the 70's when they became famous.
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Gary Yin Elite user Sabah, Malaysia 449 Posts |
Isn't FISM meant for the best to compete? I think if they joined they would be champion in the micro magic.
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jmcgrath Regular user Tomorrow I'll make another 147 Posts |
From what I have seen in FISM, and one of my best friends one the comedy award in The Netherlands in 2003, it is used by the worlds best up and coming magicians to showcase their work and originality. This gives them the spring board they need to get onto the international stage.
Wining any category at FISM pretty much ensures a years worth of bookings on the international scene. If they were then to re-enter and not win, where do they go? Their reputation can be on the line when they do this. There is a lot at stake. Also if they already have a successful act and are busy then they may struggle to find the huge amount of time that it takes to develop a unique act. Just my thoughts, John
John McGrath
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Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
John basically said it all. Anything they put out sells like crazy, they lecture all around the world and they've already put their imprint on the history of magic.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Not to mention, it would not be as easy as one would think for them to so simply just win it all because of who they are and what they have done. Magic has evolved greatly since their wonderful contributions to the craft. You have kids out there that are quite remarkable (Brings to mind a young Shoot Ogawa or David Stone even - Amazing in multiple disciplines including coin magic). If you take a look at a lot of the FISM competitions, you'll see some amazing talent, that has really threaded into some great presentation and overall ability. So while these guys are great, there are levels even to all that and those same old mountains can be quite hard to climb at this point. As it has been said, they have nothing to prove and many of them have never won such competitions, some are not aimed toward all that. Not to mention that there are many more wonderful/successful/recognized FISM losers than winners amongst us, and actually most have never ventured so far in competition at all.
With that, if there were some sort of Masters Competition, where the criteria is accomplishment, contribution, lecturing, etc amongst guys that have already in various ways done the work, well that would be interesting and perhaps a bit more palatable for their developed egos, not to mention a bit more fair.
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I kept reading that last post over and over...
I still can't believe you actually wrote that the NYC guys couldn't compete in FISM and would need a special competition just for them that would be more palatable for their developed egos. Maybe they wouldn't win FISM. That's tough to do, and it is not their focus, but a "master's competetion more palatable for their developed egos" comes off as a pretty harsh thing to write. |
Zhang Special user 515 Posts |
They certainly do not have anything to prove but I believe if they decide to go to FISM they will do vey well and probably win it all as well.
there are a bunch of good young magicians out there, but the new york guys, are not done yet my friend. WZ. |
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Its not about FISM the NEW YORK coin men have contributed so much to magic This is what is important .....
it is now for the younger generation to take their work and go to FISM |
phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 884 Posts |
I don't know... These guys, among others, have built the very blocks that are used by these 'kids' (referred to above) today. Winning FISM? Maybe they wouldn't now, since we're accustomed to their style, and attention would naturally go to a magician offering something different. But take their contribution, their experience, their creativity. Consider the path they created for us all. 'Developed egos'? I don't agree with this statement. These guys, considering what they've done, are very humble on the contrary.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Well Dan, I didn't mean it like you took it. Didn't say they "couldn't" compete, just that winning would be not that easy to do at this point, even for them. And you seem to basically agree with that as you said, "...Maybe they wouldn't win, that's tough to do..." Go back and read again, that's what I said and meant when I said as I say here again, "...It would not be as easy as one would think for them to so simply just win it all..." I was not being harsh, that was not my intent at all. Sorry you took it that way as I meant no disrespect.
As for the mention of a Masters Competition, I was thinking toward recognizing their many contributions to magic, etc...so as to keep the young guys out of that venue as most would not have such credentials. And I would think that after so many years of this stuff on a variety of high levels, they would develop egos about their places in this thing and the respect they have (or should have) garnered from their many works. What's wrong with that? They've earned it. So, you misinterpret me here greatly. I hope I came across better for you in this post. If I have in any way come across as "harsh" to anyone, it was not my intention and I indeed apologize for any such negative view on what I said. I have nothing but respect for those that have done the work, whether they win FISM or win nothing at all.
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 884 Posts |
Marion, I don't think you could come across as "harsh"... Just doesn't fit your style
Phedon
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Thanks Phedon... I appreciate that sentiment and recognition as to any discrepancy here. -Mb
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
MB, your comments about FISM or Masters Competitions, etc. wasn't what came off harsh. What came off harsh to me was writing that they would need their own competition to be "palatable to their developed egos."
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
Well again Dan, I didn't mean it the way you took it. I actually again didn't say nor was it my implication that they "needed" anything...I simply suggested IMHO a venue befitting their status as magicians that have given so much to the magic community over the years. I think I've already spoken to what I meant about "developed egos," but I'll add that I would think that these guys are worthy of a certain respect and I think they expect it from the magic community for what they've given. Again, I don't think anything's wrong with that and I agree with Phedon that they are mostly humble guys that have shared themselves tremendously.
Again, sorry you found any harshness in my comments but your interpretation wasn't my intention.
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Ok, I didn't know what you meant by developed egos. I thought you meant they were egotistical or something. I know things don't get relayed properly in the written word somtimes. Thanks for clarifying.
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levitatingace New user 49 Posts |
Michael Gallo in particular comes to mind with this subject. He is a great example of very innovative techniques, and I think he could win FISM, but like everyone said...why would he compete. All of these guys legendary, and carry a legacy of magic, especially Gallo, who has his fathers work to his name as well as his own stuff.
I think the bottom line is this, These guys do not want to be recognized because of contests they have won, they want to be recognized for a body of work that has contributed to our community. I hear Michael Gallo say once that he did not perform much of his fathers material, because he wanted to be known for his own original work. I think that says it all. Do others agree? I don't think ego's enter into this at all. I have met a few of these gentlemen, and being lauded with praise and signing autographs is not the reason they work as hard as they do. |
Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I think for newer guys trying to make a name for themselves, FISM is a great thing to win.
If you are someone with an established reputation, FISM is probably a lose - lose situation. If you win, everybody expected you to, because you are Mr. Highly Reputable Magic Guy, you should have won. If you lose however, it hurts you even more because you are Mr. Highly Reputable Magic Guy, you were supposed to win, and you didn't. Given that set of circumstances, why would they risk it? |
Chad Barnard Special user Mt. Airy, NC 763 Posts |
I wholeheartedly agree.
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Gary Yin Elite user Sabah, Malaysia 449 Posts |
I asked this question because I saw a FISM coin act on Youtube, and I see it's almost same standard as the top coin magicians. Just wondering.
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