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I have to agree with Bryan,
Splash's is great looking and great working.
It does take up some room, but less than others,
it is magically logical and pretty amazing to see,
and it will take a bite outa your wallet, but that's quality for you!

Magically,
Walt
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First, Thank you all for your posts!

As I said I am intereste to purchase a free horizontal levitation with no vissible support.

Most of the post suggested splash levitation which may be the best.

Unfortunatelly it is little expensive for this moment because I already invest my money in other uniq idea.

I am willing to spend up to few thousans $ for a levitation. Maybe maximum $5 000.

As I know there are:
lighter than air,
gamolo,
360,(problem: litle bog and heavy for everyday use)
Dev Ray Levitation,
Progressive Levitation,
Anton Corradin’s Levitation (problem: needs 4 people to perform.Not only 3)
aga (problem: need special stage and backdrop)
and some more that they don't come to my mind or I don't know.

As I said I need a practical levitation for almost everyday use in different and sometimes strict environment.

If you can please help me and give me some knolege you may have for the illusions I wrote above or other similar levitations so I can make my choice.

From what I belive I have the choice of these 4:
lighter than air,
dev rey levitation,
gamolo,
Progressive Levitation

Do I have any other choice?

What is your choice between these 4 levitations.
(Most important creteria are:
1. to be practical for everyday use,
2. easy to transport
3. easy to set up
4. overall effect)

Thank you All!
"My goal is to spread around happiness and entertainment, by erasing the illusion of time and live in eternity "

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OK,
…there is no Santa Claus, really….
…there is no Easter Bunny….
…there is no Tooth Fairy….
AND
…There just are no Affordable and Portable Levitation Systems made.

--Because a levitation must be carefully engineered to be safe and effective.
--Because a levitation must be made by skilled and knowledgeable craftsmen.
--Because a levitation must contain complicated mechanisms.
--Because a levitation must be designed to be ultimately deceptive.
Every good one -by necessity is-
larger, heavier, and quite expensive.

In my opinion there are huge, huge drawbacks with ALL FOUR you are considering.

If you will take the time to do a Magic Café search on each,
you will find multiple threads,
dozens of posts,
and many thoughts on these,
along with links to several video or photo examples.

No one has yet been able to produce the “holy grail”
of affordable, portable levitations.
And those now out there are
clumsy looking,
under-deceptive,
and wobbly to say the least.

You’ll literally have invent, design, and engineer one to your specifications,
then have it professionally built for you because,
it does not exist anywhere on the planet right now.

To my mind, if you are serious about adding good magic to your act you have…

Three Options:
1- Save up and buy something of merit like Splashes.
2- Find a good "Suspension", maybe a Blaney instead
3- Give up the idea to trying to do a Human Levitation with limited resources.

In brief:
“Gamolo” and “DevRey” which are similar, with both you need to mask the gimmicks at all times, then you’re stuck standing on a silly box helpless, so need assistants to do all the work for you, she rises a minimal height, and minimally deceptive, with many complaints about smooth working or breakdowns.
“Progressive” very heavy and poorly and unsafely made according to owners.
“Lighter Than Air” is noisy and heavy to transport,
“3-in-1” better maybe, but requires backdrops.

No, you don’t have any other choices with a true levitation because of your criteria:

1. to be practical for everyday use
(then it’s not going to be stable, safe, or smooth)
2. easy to transport
(good levitations are either bulky or heavy by nature)
3. easy to set up
(well engineered illusions being expensive, are designed to set-up well)
4. overall effect
(none of these versions are very deceptive except to a ten-year old)

Yes, some of the above problems can be downplayed
by an extraordinary effort in routining and presentation,
but that is a rare thing to see invested…
There are also threads about this,
if you’ll make the effort to
do a THOROUGH Magic Café or Genii search.

Sorry to be the wet-blanket…
and t to rain on your hopes and dreams,
I wish it were otherwise as well.
But, I’ve been down this road many times over many years,
I’ve researched and examined many models over a long period,
and came to the sad conclusion that
“it ain’t out there”
UNLESS you have the budget, and the means, to use larger heavier props.

Maybe some of us magicians are just not set-up and ready to perform a true Levitation in there shows yet? Maybe we need to stick to what we can afford and transport, and do that very, very well instead?

In my case,
I do one mean “floating ball” instead of worrying about a human for now.
Plus I’m having one --#^(%&*#!@-- of a great Suspension
designed, engineered, and built to my specifications
this year by a skilled pro-builder….
From my experience, that’s my-two-cents,
others may disagree I’m certain.

Magically,
Walt
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by Walt Anthony
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Thank you verry much Spellbinder.
"My goal is to spread around happiness and entertainment, by erasing the illusion of time and live in eternity "

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Thanks for the compliments on the hoop move. It is based on a Richiardi idea that he used for his Aga levitation. In his version, he almost tosses the hoop from hand to hand. It is the slowing down and speeding up that makes the hoop pass convincing. I have also used a Blaney hoop but there is something about doing it "old school" that just feels nice.

My two cents...the Splashes Levitation is well worth the investment. We did the illuson 5-7 times a night, 5 nights a week, on and off for 3 years at Caesars and never had any problems with it. An added plus is that it is very quiet.

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I got an Airtime years ago. It is a very big setup backstage and you really need good control of your lighting. It isn't going to work for your smaller venues.

If you are still looking, check out Victor Voitka's website for his upcoming 360 levitation. His prices always seems to be really reasonable!
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I don't understand why Splashes Creative didn't made their Ultimate levitation with 360 rotation because I am sure is possible.
I am sure is very well made it but why didn't put this beautiful move and Victor voitko could ????
Very curious
jis
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This is my version of a portable levitation that I perform semi-surrounded. The audience can be on the sides and see nothing.

I designed and made this myself. It all packs flat and is portable. Takes about 10 minutes to assemble. My base is only 2 inches thick.

I use a volunteer because it is more convincing to the audience. Notice also my hoop which is just a common one sold in most toy shops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaAUAr-utLM
Magic, Illusions, Juggling, Puppet & Parrot Show ^0^
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Anyhow Splashes Creative are vrey known in this busines ...I think they must to think serious to add this 360 move and I am very sure that will sell a lot.
Thank you
Jis
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Dear j.i.s.,

The reason why splashes doesn't make the 360 move is because it wouldn't work with the system they use.

Kind regards,
Rafael
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That was nice Lou...
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I see you were speaking about Promotional Videos...

Just thought I would mention I placed an ad in the Sept issue of Magic Magazine and you can find my website online at http://www.NGVproductions.com
My Website design is not my strong point but my videos are.
I have been designing Promotional DVD's for 7 years now using the best Mac Hardware & Software currently available. FCP is my fav choice. Most of my effects are done in Motion, & all sound is of course editing afterwards in Soundtrack Pro.
Logic is also a Decent Program, however I have always used soundtrack.

anyway if you know anybody who needs a Pro-Voiceover, Intro, Music Design, or DVD demo, My Company Next Generation Video Productions can help you out..

Most of the videos you will see on my site, are lower budget. but I have a few that the client spent enough to make it look really nice..

Like the Extreme Vegas Opening video for a live show. I was quite proud of.

anyway if you have any questions about using these programs yourself or if you want something done. I can help for sure! --JZ cheers & happy editing!
www.NGVproductions.com
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On 2008-02-24 11:47, The GodFather wrote:
First, Thank you all for your posts!

As I said I am intereste to purchase a free horizontal levitation with no vissible support.

Most of the post suggested splash levitation which may be the best.

Unfortunatelly it is little expensive for this moment because I already invest my money in other uniq idea.

I am willing to spend up to few thousans $ for a levitation. Maybe maximum $5 000.

As I know there are:
lighter than air,
gamolo,
360,(problem: litle bog and heavy for everyday use)
Dev Ray Levitation,
Progressive Levitation,
Anton Corradin’s Levitation (problem: needs 4 people to perform.Not only 3)
aga (problem: need special stage and backdrop)
and some more that they don't come to my mind or I don't know.

As I said I need a practical levitation for almost everyday use in different and sometimes strict environment.

If you can please help me and give me some knolege you may have for the illusions I wrote above or other similar levitations so I can make my choice.

From what I belive I have the choice of these 4:
lighter than air,
dev rey levitation,
gamolo,
Progressive Levitation

Do I have any other choice?

What is your choice between these 4 levitations.
(Most important creteria are:
1. to be practical for everyday use,
2. easy to transport
3. easy to set up
4. overall effect)

Thank you All!
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I will agree for the stage that Splash creative Levi is great,
but for a better angle and weight I will suggest you " La Junior " from Yogano,
this is a variation of " La Madrid" both from Yogano but the first it's a real levi ( up ,down and a little bit right and left) the second one is just a suspension,
any way both are really easy to carry ( belive me inside a school sack)
but you need a little bit more practise than a classic levi,
fabrice.
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I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned this on the Café or not... If so in the past it more than likely got taken off....

First of all before I tell you this story,, Bill Smith from Magic Ventures and Chriss Barnes which is also a magic builder in Vegas can tell you that what I'm telling you is true facts..... I have a cassett tape from some phone messages that prove that this isn't made up stuff..
Anyhow the story goes like this... I was living in Vegas around Ten years ago and I lived in vegas for fifteen yrs... I had a Company at the time called DTR Entertainment... I built set designs and Illusions for magicians and Comedians etc..
Carrot Top, Wally Eastwood the Juggler, Kevin James etc... I found out back then that they had this really smart guy and his wife... The names were Bob North and Shelly.... They had a set design company at the time.. I had my own place and learned that it was faster and my products were better when I contracted Bob to do the work.... He had once been hired yrs before to do the building for some of the Lance Burton show thru Bill Smiths Company ...Magic Ventures... Bill Hired him as extra help on the big project, becasue Bill is always swamped doing many projects at one time.... He had a no compete contract with Bob saying that after the Lance stuff is done and when I'm done with your services that you can't just go down the road and start building magic stuff.... Please understand up in till that point him and his wife had only done a scenic design company... NO Magic stuff.. I didn't know anything about the whole deal between Bill and Bob at the time.... SO I'm a little guy in Vegas with my little prop show just trying to make an honest buck... Everytime I would go over to Bobs shop and direct how I wanted something made... Be it a magic prop or a set piece, the customer was blown away... I hated to tell them who really did it or I may loose all of my customers to this guy... I still believe that the builder is only as good as the design that he is building... And if the builder doesn't have a lot of knowlege of magic then he's not going to build the good stuff... So I think that I had a lot to do with why the stuff was so good..... But every magician seems to think that they have great ideas, so as soon as the cat got out of the bag about BOB being this new Genius builder guy ... HE was the go to guy for trying new stuff and he really didn't care what it was,, because you must remember that he's a builder first not a true lover of magic like MYself BIll Smith and most all great Magic builders who really start building magic for the love of it .... THat's why they learn to build in the first place.... Anyhow I didn't know that Bob had an arrangement with Bill.... I just new that Bob and Bill didn't like each other and really didn't know why... Back in those days I really didn't know Bill that well..
Bob is very Machanically involved.... I"m not... I can create something in my head and he normally had the answer before I'm finished telling him about the effect.... SO One day I told him that I had Invented a new Levitation that was to set around eight to ten to tweleve inches off the ground and that this was going to be a two person Illusion...The magician would stand on a table and his wife or girl assistant would lay on the table and that the gimmick that she lays on would be down in the table with the costume hot glued or velcrowed on the bottom of the harness... Gimmick... THe only problem with the effect that I hadn't figured out was how we were going to get a piece of aluminum or a pipe to curve up and bend behind my leg..... I said if you can think of something that could curl up behind my leg and be sturdy enough to lift a girl then we have it............. HE said not being a magic guy... WHy would you want to Levitate a girl off of such a short table and what's the point.... He had seen and worked on stuff for the Pendragons platform levis that were broken or that he was doing a scenic change to these different props and all and he wondered why would this of any importants...... THen I walked his thru every levi that had ever been done... from platform levis to double levis to wire levi to under stage levi etc...
I explained that the Water levi,,, Platform levis.... Brett Levi .... And the really big table platform levis are not really practical for the working Illusionist.... Husband and Wife teams and the normal magic guy with a girl...
The reason that I invented this illusion is because of places like the magicial Empire, Magic Island In TX , the Castle... Stage that don't really have a 20 stage... Platform levis.... OR normally 6 to 8 feet tall and then the magician adds another six foot... So you get the point that a short table and a six foot magician could be levitating his girl in these small theaters or out side for that matter... I wanted a up down switch on the floor so the magician could control it with his foot.... IT would be a two person prop and at worse you could run a large snake cable off stage right with a control box and let the stage hand so the dirty work... I wanted t0 put ful page adds in Magic Magazine and I told him that I wanted the same kinda fee that Steinmeyer gets and that I would help establish his name as a magic builder and try and make him another Bill Smith or John Gaughan... Well he figured out how to make my effect work and no you can't do the 360 system with this gimmick because it would cause the girl to fall off due to gravity and the way this thing is made.... HE told me for over two months that my levi was coming along like wild fire and that it was going to blow my mind.... He was also working on a close up illusion for me at the time that involved some electronics. To make a long story short and to try my best to keep this on the site without getting kicked off..... Well lets just say that he has made around 30 of these with the silver flight ata cases and has sold them world wide.... I move to Texas and slowly started to find out how big this thing was really getting.... I was trying to sell a Brett Levi that I got from a female magician name Sherry Lucas ... THis prop was built by John Gaughan and I was trying to sell it to Rafeal or anyone that wanted it around 8 yrs or so ago... Before face book and all... During my e-mailing people all around the world, most people said I just bought the BOB LEVI at SPLASHES or I'm saving up my money to buy one because it's just so practical..... SO you get my point... I didn't end up being the next Jim Steinmeyer and he did do the add in Magic and used a cruise act to take the photo with my prop,.. IT was suppose to say.... Taylor Reed's Ultimate Levitation... Well the name changed... That would be kinda like Jim Steinmemyer telling John Gaughan yrs ago ... THat I have this effect with a very small table and it has a little folding box and I think we will put a mirror in the back, but I'm just not sure all the details on how to slide the box and all ....And then the builder says.... I"ve got it.... That's why I'm the builder and you are the designer.... Collabarate.....
The first one was sold to Penn Dragon.... HIS was so shakey when the girl went up that people at the Magicial Empire laughed at it and magicians thought that it wasn't that good..... Yes Jonathan did buy and do the first one, but he didn't invent this for sure.... He did design the legs with the round holes and all on the first one.... My friend Tim White designed the current table with the trusses... My vision was just a very thin main stream looking table with the gimmick in it or even attached to the girl already aka like the water levi has been done that way.....The reason that I didn't claim the effect when it went to the Magical Empire was because it got bad reviews and I already had felt bad the way I didn't get my fee, if you know what I mean... SO I chalked it up as a bad effect and a bad deal.... Little did I know after I moved to TX and got away from the daily doings of Las Vegas that BOB was going to improve this illusion and make it smooth sailing... HE did and has sold a lot of these illusion and would have never even thought of something like this without a guy like me who planted the magic seed in his head.... I"M 43 yrs old now and have been doing magic for 39yrs now... even back then ,,, I eat, sleep, dream, think and do magic 24/7....
Magic is my life... I'm not just a bored builder that has to be build a challenge to keep my blood pumping..... I'm a master thinker in our art form and I went to a master builder and then well you know the rest.... God Bless Bob and Shelly...
They are now big star builders in the World of magic doing stuff for Criss Angle and Steve Wyrick and David Copperfield..... But Most magic builders are known for the one effect that made them famous... THe only Illusion that people think of when they think of Splashes is The Taylor Reed's Ultimate Levitation... AKA
The Ultimate Levitation from SPLASHES "Bar NONE"
Name one more illusion that you think of...That's it
All though they have worked on build and done some great work since...
That was the one that put them on the map..... I think they did the trap door table illusion.... But it never kicked off like my deal did... But even that Illusion was designed by a magician... NOT the build... Bob doesn't just sit around and invent tricks or illusions... You are only as good as your last song in the music industry.... THIS illusion was my ORIGAMI or MY ZIG ZAG...
Now if Robert Harbin would have been left out of the title of the ZZ he would not have been a happy guy... IF Steinmeyer would have been left out of the ORIGAMI>>
He would have also been typing this very long story today...
Since this has happen I've had a few people claim that they came up with the gimmick..... Even a guy that once worked for Magic Magazine they said had told BOB about something called the pushing chain.... That would never work because it's way to wobbley..... I have about twenty more cutting edge ideas that are using the newest of technology, but I'm kinda worried about sharring the ideas with builders ..... Well I'll probably die with this stuff in my desk.... SO when I die... Go to my wife and buy all of these books that I have in the basement ...
I have around 300 book hard bound scetch pad books with 200 to 300 pages per book...
Look for those when I'm gone.... It ashame that we can't get this stuff out during our life time... But sometime people just die with the stuff in the desk for this very reason... So next time you see the illusion performed or a photo of the illusion.... I just want you to think of me...........................................................
God Bless you all..
Taylor Reed
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Great post, Bob.

Ryan Joyce goes a beautifil performance with it. And also he is so creative he designs his own print layouts, edits and produces him own promos, etc. A great guy.

And again Bob, thank you.

gene
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Best bang for your buck is the gamolo with some dressing. pm me and ill send you clip
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