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randirain
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I agree with you only partly Harry.

This does come to mind though...
Let's look at learning to do target whipping.
Bullwhips are just freaking expensive.
But if you want to learn to do it, you need to shell out the money and buy a nice one.
If you don't, you will only be hurting yourself trying to learn on a cheap product and will probably fail or give up.

But, on the other hand...
You could be right... an egg bag may be an egg bag, maybe.
Not saying I know, just somethng that came to mind.

As yes, I am learning target whipping.

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Harry and Randi,
Thanks for the comments. I'm not trying to please everyone, but think that you both make strong points.
Harry, I have read through the various pages on the egg bag, and think that as usual, you offer polite, helpful, and informative advice - which I do essentially agree with.
I am trying out the prop to see if it is 'me'. With cards (and rope etc.) for example, I practice with different items; e.g. worn out, bridge size, cheap, and normal bicycle stock, in order that I can always perform if handed a 2" thick fluffy deck from the drawer. In other words, cards are cards, but are all egg bags egg bags?
However, Randi has accurately identified my concern (and I don't have a better analogy than the target whipping!). As I have no egg bag experience, and the magicians I work with do not either, will a potentially inferior prop perhaps color my judgement regarding the technical handling (compared to the presentational side of things)? I also have a £3 / $6 'egg bag', that might as well be an envelope, and I have not ever bothered practicing with it, as it really belongs in a christmas cracker.
Thanks to you both, I will carry on experimenting with the prop I have.
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Randi is absolutely right. A well made and deceptive egg bag is a must. A thing that is a flimsy “Christmas Cracker” version will not help you much. I forget that there is some real toy level junk out there.

I was thinking about the number of egg-bags that are well made, very deceptive that don’t cost an arm and a leg. I was thinking of those that will stand you in good stead for discovering the basics of the trick and let you know if you will even like doing it, i.e., does it fit your performing style and performing persona.

I’d love to recommend that one start with one of the top of the line bags like Hobson’s or Fabric Manipulations. They are two of the best Malini style bags available.

However there are several sources that are good reliable, well made, deceptive and inexpensive alternatives available. For example Danny Tong’s wife makes a great bag (and one that many of the working pro’s used for decades before Hobson or Welsh came along). Hers is fairly inexpensive, a well made and deceptive worker’s bag.

She also makes the Tarbell/Sterling type of bag for about the same price. Again it is well made, deceptive, and worthy of a working professional.

You’ll have less than $50.00 invested and have a bag that will last for years or at least to the point that you know if egg-bagging is for you.

Me? Right now I am working on a routine using the Hobson bag. I have accumulated three of the beasts and won’t give them up. I say working on a routine since I’m an old Tarbell/Sterling/Mardo egg-bagger and now changing to the Hobson/Malini style.



By the way Randi, my uncle was a Target Whip performer. He traveled across Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and New Mexico performing at school assemblies (50s and early 60s). I tell a story of one of his performances at my Junior High School when I was a kid (probably before your parents were born!). I’ll have to share it one day (or just PM NUMS and ask him. I told it to him a couple of times! LOL!).

He taught me a couple of elements of his act but I never really got proficient with it. He gave me a whip (maybe 6-7 feet or so). He made his own whips. The man also could do knife throwing and a marksman act. He performed those acts when he worked one of the last Wild West Shows or a Carnival. The whip act was the only act he performed at school assembly programs. I sure loved the old guy and enjoyed those times he showed up with his little Airstream trailer and spent a month or two with us.
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LOL...the "whippersnappers" are coming out of the woodwork!

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I, too, am a whip player. I've been throwing single tails (bullwhips, snake whips and signal whips) for 12 years. I've got a collection of about 20 'roo whips, the longest being nearly 10' from butt to the end of the fall. My best trick is to slice a banana in even, 1" slices while it's being held horizontally at waist level by a willing volunteer. Smile

I've been working on a bullwhip-as-card-sword routine I'm calling "The World's Most Dangerous Card Trick" for more than a year, but I've still not perfected the method. I haven't as yet come up with a method that works first time, every time, but I've come up with a slew of methods that don't work, or don't work work well enough to suit me.

Randi, I see that you're in Texas. Who's coaching you, if I may ask? I might know him/her.

Okay, I now return you to your previously scheduled discussion. Smile
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Joe Fairchild and his late brother, Bobby, both did a whip act.

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Wow... sorry Jeff about the whip topic.. but here comes more!!

I would love to hear the story Harry!
Please PM me it to me.

Donal Chayce... slicing a bannana.. that's freaking awesome!!!
My friend has a method for doing card-whip.
It works pretty good and is easy.

As far as learning... mostly on my own... but I know two guys, that can do bullwhips, that are helping me.
I doubt you know them.. they are young and not performers of any kind.

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On 2008-11-06 23:42, randirain wrote:
Donal Chayce... slicing a bannana.. that's freaking awesome!!!
My friend has a method for doing card-whip.
It works pretty good and is easy.


I'd love to learn more. If you're willing, we can move it to Secret Sessions or exchange some PMs.
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Quite a few D/s folks on here. Randi I can see. Harry, I didn't expect.

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Harry Murphy
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Chris, how could I not? You forget that I'm a chains, rope, and straight jacket kind of guy! LOL!!!

Now back to our topic!
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Does anyone use the eggs Jeff furnishes with his Egg Bag with other egg bags?

Thanks....

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Yes. I have a Tarbell/Sterling bag and a standard bag (from the 50's) that I've recently use the Hobson eggs with. The bags were being used because of the fabric and look fitting a character.
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I just got the HEB. I've been on the fence for some time with this one, despite the posts here from those whose advice I trust and respect. For me, having a handful of successful performances under my belt but not being a pro, I couldn't justify the additional expense. I've been using Lynetta's wonderful bag with Dan Tong's as my back-up and Ken Brooke's routine.

But, after seeing this in action, with Jeff performing it on stage, it just "clicked" for me that this prop, and Jeff's handling and advice, made this purchase a no-brainer for me. The HEB deals with all the issues I've had to deal with with the other bags.

This baby can not only be seen from the BACK of the auditorium (Jeff encourages all performers to play to the back of the audience), but turning it inside out fairly can be seen from the very back. The entire audience is as engaged as if they were up on stage with the volunteer.

And searching for an egg that doesn't risk dropping and breaking it, the spectator dropping and breaking it, squeezing it to oblivion, going for the back-up egg in the middle of a performance, etc., etc., I appreciate the eggs supplied.

If you do a final load in your routine (which would'nt fit imho in Jeff's routine), you don't have to worry about fumbling with the bag to keep it "open".

Big hands can fit into the bag easily.

Everything about it is just so well-thought out -- I'm really working to come up with a routine that does this "stupid little trick" (I think those were Jeff's thoughts in his lecture) justice.

Any other thoughts on the best way to "mark" the right side of the bag in a not-too-obvious way? I know this shouldn't be an issue if you do the moves exactly as Jeff does, but as someone mentioned about doing this in the heat of battle, I'd like to always see where the egg should be.
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My bags are "marked" in 2 different ways but honestly once you've done the routine 20 times you'll never look for the mark the rest of your life.

If you insist,

Take a sharpie and make a little dot at the top of the bag on one side.
There's your mark.

So what issues did you have to "deal with" with the other bags?
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I sewed a 1/2" square piece of black 'hook' velcro inside the upper corner of the bag.This allows me to know exactly know where I am at[by touch],without even having to look at the bag.

Happy trails.
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Thanks for the suggestions. The markings have been a crutch for me as a checkpoint.

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On 2008-11-10 13:53, Frank Starsini wrote:

So what issues did you have to "deal with" with the other bags?


Small ones really, and perhaps easily resolved. The HEB design addresses them though and will make the handling and spectator management easier for me.

For one, the color. On stage, the black bags really do fade into the background, unless you've got the benefit of some great spot lighting. I don't intend to re-ignite the whole two-tone debate. When I saw Jeff perform with his bag, I tried to view it as a lay spectator. It was so much easier to see from way back, and it was abundantly clear that when he turned the bag inside out, he really turned it inside out.

Second, I've thought that turning the bags inside out when they're the same color could lead someone farther away to the incorrect conclusion that you're just pretending to turn it inside out. This resolves when the spectator pulls the bag inside out, and when doing this close-up.

I finish with a drink load, and the material on my other bags causes the mouth to hang a little more closed than the HEB. I'm finding I need no extra move or fumbling to "open" the HEB bag to load it, because it already hangs open.

The width to length ratio of the bags -- it's kind of cramped with my fingers holding open the bag and keeping the egg hidden, and the spectator putting their hand through to pull it inside out at the same time. (I have large hands). I really feel more comfortable handling the wider HEB.

I won't shutter my Fabric Manipulations or Tong bags, and I've gotten great reactions using them. I know there are other great bags on the market. I just find the HEB egg bag more comfortable for me, easier to see from a distance, and (hopefully) sells the illusion even better for the spectators.
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Hey everyone. I haven’t been following this discussion so I don’t know if this topic has been discussed. I was just wondering if there is still the opportunity to buy a second bag for a reduced rate. The card that I received states that is redeemable by Dec 31. I haven’t played with the bag much until recently and now I know exactly where it will fit in a future show so I would like a backup. If anyone knows or if Mr. Hobson is watching this thread and can let me know that would be great.
Harry Murphy
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Follow the instructions that came with the bag and you'll go to the website. See if it is still available. There is even a contact button so you can get in touch with Mr. Hobson directly. You would probably get a faster response.
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Thanks Harry,

I'll do that. I just wasnt sure as it looks like its geared towards dealers. I guess it wont hurt sending an email.
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After seeing Jeff twice in the last week. I decided to bite the bullet and pick one up. I spent a good chunk of the afternoon playing with it and WOW! The egg bag had never been a solid piece of my repertiore. I would do it for a while, then take it out again. This time, I think it will stay. Every single one of his changes makes sense. I really love the "stiffness" of the bag that eliminates the bulge. I'm working 3 hours of strolling tomorrow during lunch hour and have 2 more strolling gigs this weekend. I'll probably add this in a few times to give it the audience test and see what happens.
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Thank you all for the great support on the HEB. It's wonderful to find that people appreciate something that you've put a lifetime of work into.

Yes, Ryan has taken advantage of the coupon that is included with a first-time purchase of the HEB. Ryan. . . I just got back into town from my tour and the HEB will be sent to you tomorrow. Thank you!

Pepka. . . . Great to see you last week. What a great time! It was a pleasure to see the East side of the U.S. again. . .it's been a while! Please let me us know how your shows went.

Thank you all again!!!!! If there are any more questions on the HEB, I will be happy to answer them.

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