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I Love Derren's absolutely cheeky intro. I wonder if anyone who watched this for the first time will just feel he is genuinely arrogant?

How does he manage to say all that and not seem full of himself Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmilV9TXQvo
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It's called irony.

The Brits have it in their veins instead of blood and would get this instantly.

(They also like to think that their American cousins are incapable of it. Which of course, is nonsense. Chandler in Friends was very ironic; so is Jerry Seinfeld; so is lots of The Simpsons.)
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I wouldn't exactly call that Irony. Irony is Americans screaming the lyrics to American Woman as a show of patriotism.

This is really just being cheeky, as the title suggest. That is probably the best work to describe it. It feels almost sardonic, yet not. A little satirical perhaps? Now, The Simpsons, that is also satire. Chandler, sarcastic. This post, perhaps a smidge pretentious Smile
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2008-01-29 17:47, ross welford wrote:
It's called irony.

The Brits have it in their veins instead of blood and would get this instantly.

(They also like to think that their American cousins are incapable of it. Which of course, is nonsense. Chandler in Friends was very ironic; so is Jerry Seinfeld; so is lots of The Simpsons.)


Would love to hear your definition of irony.

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Isn't it ironic that the song "isn't it ironic" isn't about irony at all?
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On 2008-01-29 17:47, ross welford wrote:
They also like to think that their American cousins are incapable of it.


I'm British and it looks like you are too! I've lived in the US for a while, and this is what I think...

It's not irony... it's 'playful sarcasm'. From my experience, the British tend to be more playfully sarcastic than Americans (not saying that includes ALL Americans). My humor has been mistaken as a personal attack on more than one occasion.

When it comes to British comedy, there are many different types just like American comedy. A big misconception is that there is one TYPE of british comedy and vise versa... We have preferences only because it's what we have grown up with or feel we relate to.

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On 2008-01-29 17:47, ross welford wrote:
They also like to think that their American cousins are incapable of it.


I'm British and it looks like you are too! I've lived in the US for a while, and this is what I think...

It's not irony... it's 'playful sarcasm'. From my experience, the British tend to be more playfully sarcastic than Americans (not saying that includes ALL Americans). My humor has been mistaken as a personal attack on more than one occasion.

When it comes to British comedy, there are many different types just like American comedy. A big misconception is that there is one TYPE of british comedy and vise versa... We have preferences only because it's what we have grown up with or feel we relate to.

Best,

Grant


I do not believe he is British, as he referred to the British as "they," not "we."
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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It says he is from the UK.

It makes sense to refer to them as 'they' as well.
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