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Wow Firenmagic that's dishearting, I was going to register this week, but I keep hearing so much about cancelations it's scaring me away. I mean I was looking to this convention so much had it marked on my calendar for a while, but as I read some of the first post it seems as the one last year was cancelled and this year as well. Guess I'll start making other plans There's a little over a month to go and the convention isn't confirmed as of yet, if it's putting doubt into my mind what about other people. So if whom ever is running this convention could let us folks know what is really going on I've ever passed the word around town here and had people wanting to car pool, and the one thing they kept asking me was is there a website or some thing they could read.
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Guys please don't misunderstand, we wantto put this convention on, but as ive stated earlier, do to our it guy not getting our website, were having to see about starting fresh w/it. theres was no budget for advertising in magic or linking ring, for now word of mouth is it. that's why we honestly said we need at least 75 people to register by may 1st or budget wise it will not be reasonable to take the loss. if you want to register at least contact dave at top hat as we will honor the early bird price if you contact and promise to register buy april 30th as weve extended the early bird price, due to website not being up yet.

we all want this to happen, but we cant afford a huge loss, and again as said before, thoughwe doubt profit, if any was made this year, we will forward it to a charity. we want this to happen, but I don't think anyone out there could just toss away thousands of dollars. the convention is worth it, that's why you here good things about. and again that's why we decided to be honest and up front with everyone.
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I am going to register this week. With the money back policy if something happens how can I go wrong?

Barney

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firenmagic have you been to a club meeting in B'ham?
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Kermit and the gang...

I really think the best bet at this point would be to go ahead and and try next year. Contact your performers, move the date ahead one year, and start raising the money to make the convention happen next year.

The reality of it is, with the economy how it is, and especially with the magic Café being your only form of advertising, you're just not going to get 75 registrants. Even when we were putting ads in both periodicals, I don't think the true full paying registrant amount ever topped 40. And that was with minimum a year of planning in the convention.

I'm just being honest when I say the best bet is reschedule to next year, or honestly, just let the Twin City Convention go down noble. At this point, this is going to be the second year in a row where you guys just can't deliver.

I wish you guys all the best, but I really think at this point this is the only way to save face.

Best of luck.

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Barney, I have been to a meeting once (trade props night or something) and really enjoyed it. However, due to my work schedule, the available nights I have to go, I would rather spend with family. I do wish to attend this convention, as I've never been to one before-and as someone who has never even learned some of "the basics" and just goes trick by trick, I think it would be a great learning experience. I'm hoping all goes as planned and that many folks will register-if nothing else, for the beginners who want to learn from the masters.
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Then, I hope to see you there.

Kermit and the gang
I know this is a possibly stupid question, but, have ya'll sent email flyers to all of the SAM and IBM rings in the area?

One of the above posters said that due to money crunch some may not come but that is why I'm coming. I can't afford the time or money to attend IBM in Nashville. And to get great magic and great lectures at an affordable cost in time and money ,like Twin City Convention, is the place to go!!!!!!!

It's a great convention with the intimaticy of a ring meeting but the quality of magic and lectures as a big convention.

my two cents

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I agree with magicelam, if registration is not picking up ....
Would you have to pay the performers if they are not contacted by a certain time?

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Now guys. As to this very moment I have not received any notice of a convention cancellation and I would be one of the first to know.We do need people to register to help out.We are kind of prepared to lose some money on this but we don't want to go deep in the hole.I would say we would have more people come to the door and register on the day of the convention, but for those of you who are going to register in advance would help us out a lot.If there is no convention this year we do have that money back guarantee.It is hard getting the convention up and running missing one year but it is possible.I know this is repetitive but we will have a website.We just cant get in touch from the IT guy to get our info..We are going to do our best to pull this off. If you have any questions contact Me or Kermit directly by a PM. We hope to see you soon.


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Well here it is....we had a meeting and spoke with the sponsors, hotel, paramount, and bristol mall (who provides the room), and based on 1. we got a late start and didn't get a chance to promote it properly, 2. we were unable to get the site up (our it guy is tied up w/ issues at eastman), 3. the economy, we have come to the unfortunate decision to postpone the convention until 2010. the entertainers have been notified andare willing to work w/us for 2010. we appologize for this, but we must be sure that the convention we offer is worth the time of those who register as well as the performers.

guys the prices for 2010 will be he same as this year, and if you wish to get inline w/ a promise to register, please do do ad we will, from here out honor a cancelation policy.

again our deepest thanks for those who we know we'll see in 2010, and appologies to those who wanted to joun us this year. we feel your let down, but unless someone was willing to had over the budget, w/out wanting to be repayed, its to much of a risk due to the reasons above.

you guys are awesome, thanks for prayers and interest, we hope this only grows as we approach 2010.

we will keep updates coming as we go.
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Well, let's get started on '10 then.
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Guys were still young and learning. if any of you have suggestions on how to make this convention better,how to promote (outside of the magazines and website) we would appreciate it. as I said before we want this to be convention the magic circlelooks forward to every year, and to be able to provide it every year is our goal.
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Kermit -

This is the digital age. A website is absolutely essential. A good mailing list would not hurt either.

As far as the magazines go, they're a must as well. When Jeff and I were running the convention, we contacted all of the IBM and SAM clubs within 500 miles, as well as any other magic clubs we heard about. We contacted all magic shops we knew and had them post stuff about the convo. We attended other conventions purely to promote this one. We invested a couple of thousand up front every year out of pocket to make this work.

The legwork that goes into the convention is unreal. All of the planning in the world is nothing without marketing. You constantly have to put yourself out there, no matter how many people know you exist - kind of like how McDonald's and Coca Cola still run commercials on TV - no one is going to forget about those guys, but you constantly have to stay in your customer's faces.

To be honest, I'd say it is time to let this thing die a happy death. The Twin City convention was good. It was started by guys who genuinely wanted to do it, and devoted everything they had (including money) to make it work.

Knowing the situation and status of how a lot of area magicians feel about each other, I just don't think as long as certain people are involved that it will ever get the support it needs to work ever again.

There are those of us who do have the resources to make something happen in the area, and would love the chance, but are not really going to do so as long as this dead horse is being beaten. This is the second cancellation in a row. I think it is time to retire this thing while it can still be done without shame.

Believe me, it is hard for me to say this knowing I created this convention, and always wanted the best for it. But I know Jeff, Scot, and a lot of the other guys who made this thing what it is feel the same way.

Best of luck if you guys decide to go for '10... but I really think you guys should do a lot of soul-searching before you do so.

-Mike
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Knowing the situation and status of how a lot of area magicians feel about each other, I just don't think as long as certain people are involved that it will ever get the support it needs to work ever again.
-Mike


AMEN to that quote Mike! I told myself that I would not make a comment about this but here I go. To be honest I would of loved to support a magic convention within the SWVA / Tri-Cities areas, but we all know it is a two way street. I could of not of supported the Twin City Convention in 2009 even if I wanted too because I am booked in Richmond, VA already on June 6. Anyway, the point is that there are several magic enthusiast that I call friends who would be happy to support a magic convention if the master magician and puppets would simply ask and give support back.

I have had to honor to perform and work with some top Magic Convention Directors such as Jep Hostetler, Hank Moorehouse, Mike Stratman, Steve Zuehlke, & Terry Richarson. These guys are first class and really know how to run a convention.
I suggest you learn from how they treat others and run a convention if you really want to succeed.

PS. I have a BS in Computer Science and a Master Degree in Education meaning that I know how to design a Web site too silly, but you NEVER ASKED!

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Again if you must publicly try to bash those of who still want to save this convention, inorder to make yourselves feel as what happened in the past was only because you had a hand in it, if it was only because you had a hand, go ahead, do something else as wonderful as the twin city convention. truth be told regaurdless of who works it (then,now or otherwise) those that do it for love (and not recognition) will never consider it a "dead horse", but one who decided to upgradde to a clydesdale, and stop being walking horse.

as a lover of magic, period, I would attend any convention I had a chance to, regaurdless of who put it on. I'm supporting magic, not the people behind the convention.

yes weve had to postpone it for 2 years running, but outside of the magic Café for every 1 thing someone may say negetively about the convention, I hear 50 more positive one.

but if all a person can do is try to take apart what others are trying to save, despite the reason, well to be honest, I would prefer if they didn't show up anyway.

would it be easier to forget it all together, hell yeah, less work for evrybody, but again its done out of love. love for magic, love for the magic community, the love of being able to see brothers in magic enjoying something you were lucky enough to be a part of.

for those of you who do support us thank, it is deeply appreciated, and we look forward to seeing you all, when the twin city convention does return to the magic circle.
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Kermit.

My post was not to bash the convention... not really sure what you mean by having a hand in it. I created it. Any local magician in the tri-cities with the exception of you or Dave will vouch for that. Jeff and I created the convention after a Matt Fore show on New Year's Eve of 2002, and the major planning, and first mention to Dave, was on January 1, 2003. I don't know why you pretend like that is not history. It is fact, it happened. Anyway...

The reason we think the convention should be over is because of our love of magic. We want to see magic succeed in the area, and this dead convention is not helping that. No one wants to be involved in anything Dave is doing. Period. You said:

"as a lover of magic, period, I would attend any convention I had a chance to, regaurdless of who put it on"

That is just silly. I certainly hope, just for example, you would not attend the John Wayne Gacy Clowns for Kids school. That kind of idea is ludacris.

When someone tries to steal something you created, run your name through the ground by blaming his porn habit on you, try to have sex with your teenage daughter, and just try to dominate and control everyone in the area, it is just kind of hard to support them.

At this point I'm sure this post will get deleted, all truth gets deleted from the Café. I'm hoping you'll get to read this before it does, Kermit.

If you really want to be involved in something, lets let this thing dissolve, as it should. Then you need to go to the club and settle up on everything that apparently happened with the money issues.

Then once everyone has made good, we'll start an event that will absolutely rock the Tri-Cities, and will have the same success as the Original Twin City Magic Convention (the first three and half years), the one that was created by and loved by magicians.

-Mike
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If in fact this is true information and it is deleted, then that would be a travesty. Truth should be known.

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I think it would be best to let this thread die. We're not accomplishing anything positive.
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WOW, I am kind of glad I got the cold shoulder from the Offer I made the convention! This has me thinking twice!

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1. we never intended to give anyone the cold shoulder. as you can imagine we have been very busy trying to accomplish this event.

2. those who have attended in the past will attest to the level of professionalism used in putting on this convention. including the 2007 convention which those responcible for the creation of it, had nothing to do with.

3.truth is in the eye of the beholder.

4. regaurdless of what is said, this is my final addition to this post, as I agree w/ mr price, this thread needs to die. all information regaurding the twin city convention and any future plans for it, will be done as a seperate thread.

those of you who are interested, please keep an eye out.
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