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Do you have a planned release date?
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I am currently editing the footage. When I am finished I will send the mastered DVD discs out for duplication. This will certainly take a few months.

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Can't wait.

Looking forward to the DVD

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Levent,

I still have not received my Miser's Dream DVD. What is taking so long?
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Hey Frank, me first, me first. No fair!!!!
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Levent is now soaking his hands from all the knuckle busting.

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On 2008-02-27 07:49, hugmagic wrote:
Levent is now soaking his hands from all the knuckle busting.

Richard


You are not kidding. For some reason I shot the footage in sequential order. What I should have done it shoot the footage with the hardest tricks first. By day three and four I was doing the T. Nelson Downs and the Charlie Miller stuff. The Miller work involves holding 17 silver dollars and the heavy bell bucket in the left hand. If you do this for a show, that is ok, but because of the way the video is shot, I had to hold all of that for several hours and that really killed my hand. So I had to soak my hand in ice after the taping!

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By the way, on my website you can see a photo of the props that I used for Misers Dream DVD. From the main page, go to the product page and then click on the words: "Misers Dream"


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The Master of them all is Norm Nielsen's Coin Ladder with the production of coins. That is truly what every wants to know about. He is still alive and performing and I am sure he will take to his grave. The artistry and music and mechanics are truly wonderful.

He also used used a bell in the beginning before the coin ladder. I read once he produced coins and dropped them into a silver up-turned bell.

You also left out Sam Berland, Pat Page, Ron Wilson, Doug Henning, and Geoffrey Buckingham to name a few. Very glad you put in the Charlie Miller material.
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Wmhegbli:

Funny that you should have mentioned Norm, as I talked to him a few weeks ago and I was urging him to (at some point in time) publish his material.

On the DVD I do, briefly mention Norm as the person who did the best work I have ever seen with the Coin Ladder.

But as far as taking secrets "to the grave" is concerned, I don't quite understand what you mean. I've seen and worked with Norm many times and unless I am missing some technical detail, there really is no "secret" to his misers dream routine. It is a grand mixture of a beautiful routine, combined with masterful showmanship of a man who is one of the greatest silent magic acts who ever lived.

My DVD is primarily concerned with the presentation of the Misers Dream in the classical sense (read Houdin), that being a stage effect with a container in one hand a coins appearing in the other.

I am quite familiar with Sam Berland and his clever creations, but I know nothing of his Misers Dream.

Mr. Page is still alive and well and he has written one of the best books on the trick and tipped some of his work on video, so I feel it is not my place to teach his work on the Miser Dream.

I know and admire Ron Wilson and had no idea that he has some special methods or presentation for the trick.

I know Doug Henning's routine and virtually all the techniques that he used are taught in the DVD and I did my best to credit the originators of the moves by name.

And Mr. Buckinghams routine is a silent coin manipulation that falls out of the scope of my video.

As I've said before, this is not an encyclopedia. It is my personal view of what I consider the best the trick has to offer.

That is all I can do as an artist.

Best regards to you,

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It would be helpful if you could explain how to make or find thinner coins for this effect.
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I happened to be duping the 25th anniversary of the Bozo Show from tape to dvd today. Norm Neilsen did the act and the floating piano. Having worked with Norm also, I agree with Levent's assesment of the act. There is nothing that out of the ordinary in it. What is superb is the editing and blending of the effects. Norm's acting ability to sell the effect is what makes it.

If you watch the act over the years, you will see a variety of costuming and music. But Norm does that to keep the act fresh. None of those changes ever lesssens the impact of it.

I will have to look and see if I have Berland's miser dream stuff here. Chris Reeseman (Encore Magic) owns the rights to all the Berland stuff but I have been unable to reach Chris for a couple of weeks.

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Dear Lou:

I have noticed that you have asked this question twice and I have no doubt that you are sincere in your quest to get the correct answer.

I will answer your question, but first I want to point out that you have not given me enough information to provide you with an exact answer.

Your general request to find out how to make coins thinner is like asking what kind of cards are best for sleight of hand, without mentioning if the cards are to be used for stage or close-up, split fans or single productions or card scaling. Each type of magic effect uses a different kind deck.

Yes you want thinner coins, but I need to know how large do you want the coins to be (dollar sized or half dollar sized)? Will the coins be dropped into a metal container and if so the coins will have to be heavy and hard enough to make a loud sound. Will the coins be used on a large stage or will the audience be close enough to see the face of the coins? In the routine can you control the presentation of the coins so that the audience only sees one side of the coins?

These are all crucial questions that will determine, what kind of coins you use and how you might modify them.

That said, I will try to give you an answer that will probably cover most contingencies.

Essentially you have three choices:

1. Take a regular coin and make it thinner.

2. Use thin metal discs in place of coins.

3. Purchase thinner coins.

In the first method you can make a coin thinner by sanding down the surface of a coin using an abrasive surface such as sandpaper. In the DVD I show how to do this with an electrical sander. I only grind down the coin a tiny amount so that the stack of coins makes less noise (as recommended by T. Nelson Downs). But with a bit of hard work you can sand down the surface to make the coins thinner. If you do this then you might find that the surface of the coin loses its resemblance to a real coin and appears as a metal disc. On a very big stage this weird appearance might not matter, but I would suggest you grind down only one side of the coin and modify the routine so that the audience only sees the normal (un-sanded) side of the coin.

The second method, is to use a thin metallic discs in place of coins. In the past I have obtained such discs from the hardware store. I believe they are used in the roofing trade. They are thin, but frankly they do not look like coins and they don't make enough noise when you drop them in a pail. But if you are on a big stage and you don't care about the sound then you might be able to use them successfully.

The third method is to use thinner coins. I have some toy coins or medallions that are used during mardi gras celebrations. They usually come in silver or gold color, they look like coins, but they are made of very lightweight metals and they don't sound so good when you drop them into a metal pail. I do however like the Norm Nielsen palming coins. They are about as thin as an American ten cent coin. But the diameter of the coins are a tiny bit larger than an American silver dollar. When dropped into a metal pail the Nielsen coins are not as loud as a silver dollar, but they still sound pretty good. The retail price of the Nielsen coins cost about $3.50 each and including shipping and the Philippine customs duty, these coins will probably end up costing you about $8 each.

Please note a machinist could make a regular coin thinner, but I suspect that this would probably cost more that the Nielsen palming coins.

Again, I have no idea, how you plan to use your "thinner coins", but I think that you will probably have your answer in one of these three choices.

Please forgive me, but I must get back to editing the Misers Dream DVD. So far I am almost finished with the first disc.

Wish me luck!

Best regards,
Levent
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It would be helpful if you could explain how to make or find thinner coins for this effect


Lou

Not sure if I am interpreting your query correctly, but Mikame makes palming coins that they use specifically for their "Misers Dream Granted" gimmick. They are available from Stevens Magic Emporium.
Wow.....just visited Levent's website and cannot wait for this DVD. It looks like it will be fantastic.
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Thank you, Levent, you have read my mind and answered my question to the fullest. I would like to make use of our local dollar size coins and sand them using a grinder as you will show in your DVD. I am anxiously waiting for your DVD on this subject. I perform the Miser's Dream in most of my shows. I do stage magic.
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I've decided to post a video clip of me performing my original version of the Misers Dream on my website (www.LeventMagic.com). Or can type in the following direct path:

http://web.mac.com/leventmagic/LeventMagic/Misers_Dream.html

This is only one of the many Misers Dream routines that I will teach completely from beginning to end. I figured some of you would like a small taste of the magic that will be on my new DVD set.

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Levent (Still busy editing the footage!)
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Hi another two-cents from me…

Per your questions on the wine glass routine from Elliott.
I did this as a very young man and got very good reactions from the audience.

I suspect it was because the glass is clear and so obviously ungimmicked,
and therefore the accumulation of coins is very visible magic.

I used a few more coins than in the original routine,
and I ended with a shower of another half dozen coins from a clip.

I used 50 cent pieces as dollars were too bulky for a wine glass.

And yes, there was a tiny, tiny bit of liquid in the very bottom of the glass
(I used plain tea for the production) but not enough to interfere with the working or effect.

Since you have not made this version “your own” I agree that it should not be on your DVD.

However, I would recommend a very fast mention that a clear glass could be used, and send people to the Elliott book as it is still available, just to get people’s create juices flowing and get them to think out-of-the-box more.

Do provide us with your release date, the probable cost of the DVD, and who/how to order them, this is a long overdue homage to coin work!

Magically,
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Dear Walt:

The discs should be out in a few months. Just prior to my appearance at the Borgata Casino Hotel in Atlantic City, I will be doing a mini-lecture tour at Fantasma in NY, Marc Desouza's place in PA and DennyMagic in MD. And I am doing my best to have these DVDs ready for the lectures.

As I am still editing the video I still don't know if this will be a 2 or 3 DVD set. So, I can't give you the exact price right now, but I can say that the cost will be pretty reasonable.

These discs will NOT be sold in stores and can only be purchased from me at my website or during my lectures.

Thanks for the information about the Tommy Martin/Wally Dean Misers routine. I'm glad it worked well for you!

To my way of thinking, the Martin/Dean routine still falls into the catagory of silent stage manipulative coin routines. Along this line we have the jumbo coin routine from Fred Kaps' act or the 10 coin production routine from Richard Ross' act. However if you were to ask these great men they would have told you that they consider these routines their "Miser Dream" routines.

But my Misers Dream DVD is only devoted to the classical form of the effect as outlined by Robert Houdin (container in one hand and coin production in the other with patter and audience participation). Even within this narrow field, the amount of material, moves and ideas that I am expressing on this DVD will make the video about 3 to 4 hours long. Which is pretty crazy when you think about it!

Levent (Still editing!!)
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One last performer I forgot to mention, it falls within your coinpail handling. Ron McMillan who use to own International Magic Studio and is now deceased, wrote a wonderful book on his award winning Miser's Dream act. I witnessed it many years ago at an IBM convention.

The book was detailed and the best detailed information on the subject. Even telling how to make his thin coins. His unique feature was the production of handfulls of coins between productions of single coins.

I believe the book was called Coin Manipulation. I do not know if it is still available from the new Unique Magic Studio store in London, England.
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The book is "Ron MacMillian's Modern Art of Coin Manipulations" by Walt Lees (published in 1981).

That is Great Book on the late Mr. MacMillian's silent coin production routine. I do mention the book on the DVD during the part where I show how to mill your own coins.

Ron was a nice man and he also did a very clever billiard ball routine where the main gimmick shot the billiard ball from the inside of your coat into your hands. I had one of these when I was a kid and it was pretty amazing (but difficult to use).

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I've heard from some people that the video of me performing my misers dream is too big of a file and it is hard to download. So, I've uploaded it to YouTube!

You can see it at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfItwx0-O-M

By the way the editing of my "Ultimate Guide to the Misers Dream" instructional DVD is going VERY well.

I'll let everyone know when it is finished.

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