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Hello, I am fairly new to Rope magic, I can preform Professers Nightmare, Cut and restore rope, and a few other tricks. Whitch of theis two DVD's is better for a begginer at Rope magic to learn a few good routines.
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Chris
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I don't own Fiber Optics but, I've heard people say that is great. But on the other hand I own the WGM Professional rope routines DVD and it has some really nice stuff in it. I'd recommend it for a beginner (it was good enought for me). If you can afford then buy both Smile
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Get the Daryl series, its visual, and you can pick and choose a style you like.
You have choices: incorporate, emulate, simulate, modify, or create.
The more you learn, the more you will incorporate pieces of routines and wind up with something entertaining. If you want a stock routine or like Fibre optics, you may not be able to use it in all conditions.
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I have the Daryl series on ropes. It has enough routines for most occasions from impromptu to platform routines.
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I have both Daryl's DVD set, and fiber optics, I like them both. I also reccommend the work of George Sands, his son Alan Sands is selling a DVD with some of George's best rope moves.

There is also the Karl Fulves book for about $5, and it is full of great ideas too.
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If you can learn from a book you'll get a lot more for your money if you buy the "Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks" by Stewart James. There is enough in there to keep you busy for the rest of your life.

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I didn't know L and L came out with rope routines! The World Greatest Magic series is excellent. From the Daryl series I suggest volume three.
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On 2008-02-03 12:34, meco wrote:
Hello, I am fairly new to Rope magic, I can preform Professers Nightmare, Cut and restore rope, and a few other tricks. Whitch of theis two DVD's is better for a begginer at Rope magic to learn a few good routines.
Thanks,
Chris


You already know a couple good routines. I would vote for Fiber OPtics to perhaps enhance what you're already doing.

Don't fall into the trap of needing to learn every rope routine there is. Just perfect what you already know. However, they are both good and you can learn tips about handling the rope from both. Same goes for Daryl's rope routine DVD. He has some great handlings to improve what you're doing. Look for improvements not new routines.

One difference between an amateur and a pro: a pro perfects ever second of the routine they do. The amateur keeps learning new tricks and never perfects any of them.

Both are fine, of course. You even get to pick your path Smile

p.s. This is not quite true of course but something to think about.
Food for thought.
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Being a person who, until recently only really knew the more basic rope routines (still get plenty of mileage out of them though!) like prof's nightmare and cut and and restored rope; I think there's definitely a "next level" of rope moves out there. I'm talking about the work you can do with pulling off the ends, putting them back on again, putting the ends in your pocket and having them move to your hand leaving the middle in your pocket etc.
I've not seen the more extensive books or dvds on rope work though. I learned these bits from David Stone's "Real Secrets of Close Up Magic Vol 1" in the routine "Hallucination". Once you've got the hang of these moves in the routine you could use them for your own purposes.
From the looks of the "Fibre Optics Extended" there seem to be many of those elements included.

I tend to shy away from buying a Dvd which explains one routine. Books are generally better for gaining the knowledge and dvds can help to clarify certain moves where they are unclear.
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You could go cold into Fibre optics, or any single rope DVD, but the success of any of these is your comfort zone with the moves. I approach rope with "where can I go from here?" attitude. I know all of the possible components of certain effects, then develope my own sequence. That way, you are not a rope clone. This is the problem I have with some of the superb rope routines, Fibre, optics, Tabary, and even Sands. There are idiosyncratic moves that were devised as problem solvers and not as magic effect. I see that a lot of magicians don't do all of Tabary or FO, they do a combined hybrid of the three routines. Daryl's compilation of rope effects is good, but only for the knowledge of the effects and single rope effects. The long routines should draw on your basic knowledge and comfort zone.
Youtube is a great source for selecting rope effects, you will see some great and some fumblers and mosr of all hear audience response which is all that matters.
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One difference between an amateur and a pro: a pro perfects ever second of the routine they do. The amateur keeps learning new tricks and never perfects any of them.

Both are fine, of course. You even get to pick your path Smile

p.s. This is not quite true of course but something to think about.
Food for thought.


I think its true, but they bleed together.
I learn new tricks all the time, mostly for fun and magic addiction lol
however, there is a number tricks 12 or so, that I always work on that I would perform professional.

in the words of offspring "you gotta keep'em seperated"
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I perform 12 rope tricks. I also have a bunch of off the beaten path rope tricks that I only do for other magicians, and I'm always looking for another trick to do for my friends. My three rope routine is 5 minutes long, but I know enough moves to do it all night long. I'm a shameless rope nut that always wants more.
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