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Bairefoot
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Hello everyone,

Does anyone here know of anybody that has done a complete dove act with no body loads? I want to do it sleeveless. I might also use it for competition, so I am just wondering. Thanks in advance.

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Celeste Evans did a sleeveless act.
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I'd much rather watch her act than Michael's.
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Me, too. She has an added level of misdirection that I'm afraid Michael just cannot ever get.

Now, guys, the youngsters are going, "Who is Celeste Evans?" Do a Google, guys, and read about a lady who made and did it all. Still alive and proud to call her a friend.

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Thanks for all the encouragement, fellows. I will check it out. Thanks.

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If you are using body loads, does it really make a difference if you have sleeves? As long as you don't use a sleeve load (because you won't have any), there shouldn't be a problem.

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Good point, Danton, and more on topic than the Celeste postings. Michael, you could perform your act in a vest and use body loads. If you want an act totally void of body loads, then prop magic is the only other alternative. The advantage of body loads, of course, is less equipment to carry around. If you go into prop magic, you lose the "pack small, play big" concept. A lot depends on the length of your act, as well. If you doing a competition, then you won't need as many props.
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I watched Ian Adair do a dove act in the late 1970’s. He was doing it at a small convention as a sales pitch for some of his dove-related products. He used no body loads, no sleeve steals, or the like. He wanted the guys at the convention to know that they could do some dove work and not have to load the body. Everything was built into the props and self-contained.

He produced two doves from a white scarf, and he produced yet another from a set of ribbon streamers (both self-contained) and laying across the back of a chair. He did a number of other productions until he had five or more birds. Then, he did a number of tricks with some of the birds before beginning to vanish them. He did at least one vanish by putting the bird in a folded mat (shown open, flat, and empty of guile at the start). The mat was snapped open, and a white handkerchief flew into the air.

I seem to remember a Crystal Tube change the doves to water thing, a flip over box vanish, and a small bird cage vanish (maybe three doves).

The whole act could have been done in a bathing suit.

Cantu, probably the inventor of the modern dove act, used to steal some of his doves from a colorful serape hung over a chair, from his table, and from a large sombrero (he used body loads, too).
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Thanks so much, fellows. I was also going to try and do it in my stage act. That way, I can do my regular show and maybe put the dove act some where in the middle. I just don't like wearing the whole suit thing. You know the jacket. Is there a way to make a bird appear with an invisible harness and he not be on you? The only idea I have is to have the bird in my drop box and just pull him straight out of there. What do you think?

Thanks again, everybody. It is a great help.

Bairefoot
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Some parrot steals are done directly from the drop box patterns on the front of the box (circles, squares, black art designs). I assume you could somehow use a dove in the same fashion, although I have never seen someone do it with a dove; they always used a larger bird.
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Anyway, how 'bout the Slydini dove/silk fountain table steal? You show some silks, then dropped one, you picked it up, and at the same time steal the silk with the dove holder on the table in one smooth motion.

Well, that's only one I can think of for a jacketless dove. The rest maybe uses those flaming boxes, dove pans, etc.
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A dove streamer is one of the simplest ways to duplicate a body load steal without one.

Jim is on the right track if you want to steal something. It is always best to steal from the front than from the side or behind.

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Eleazar Goodenough invented a way to perform a great many impossible effects (including dove productions) while wearing a T-shirt. His ideas are in The Wizards' Journal #7 in "T-Shirt Magic". To make up the necessary stuff, you'll need to be proficient at sewing, or know someone who can do the sewing for you.
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Hello,
I currently have a few different dove acts. One of them is a complete dove act without any body loads. I use this act for corporate gigs where the audience might be closer than in a theater. I don't want to expose stuff, so you may PM me. If I can help, I will.
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Thanks, John.

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I believe Dave Womach does his dove act sleeveless.
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If you are using assistants, don't forget that they are a good place to steal doves from. They can be "loaded" and, with appropriate choreography, you can lift your birds for production.
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I’ve flirted with a sleeveless dove act. So much so that I actually had my tuxedo professionally altered with no sleeves. I believe it is quiet impressive to the lay audience but, being the formal type, I don’t like the look.

Lance Burton had it right. Half way through his act (after using his sleeves very well), he rolled them up and went on to perform many more miracles and dove productions without sleeves.

I’m sure you can come up with an excellent act without body loads. However, I think the best thing to do is a combination of both. Keep your audience guessing.

Posted: Feb 18, 2008 11:50am
As I was writing my last post, I had an image of a top notch magician in a sleeveless tuxedo, but couldn't quite recall the name. I've remembered. Fantasio! Although not a "dove act", he does produce of dove at the end. Want to see some vintage video from his appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show? Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schqAC8_6tY
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Thanks, Ken.

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Celeste Evans; I’m sorry, guys, I’m not a youngster, but somehow or another I don’t recall her. And by the way y'all talk, I would have remembered her. Could y'all shine a little light on the subject of her? Maybe a new thread.
Thanks,
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