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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
Contest would be for the most original illusion act. Rules for the contest: No box tricks, or any standard illusion commonly used such as levitation, sawing in half, or any other commonly used effect.
Reply to this post If you would be interested in entering the contest. ` Note: This would be a non profit Contest, no payment would be made to the organizers, judges, or affilates of contest.
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JayH Regular user Finland 140 Posts |
Hi!
Is this a real contest or do you want some ideas about that like of illusions? Is that concretic contest or true web? 'Couse I know a guy who knows a guy who do that kinda thing... Jay |
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
Quote: Answer: depends on if there are enough people to enter the contest....And no I'm not looking for other peoples Ideas, I have my own original material, my goal is to have magicians perform without the use of ohter peoples Illusions or those commonly used.
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Lusion Special user 590 Posts |
And who would be said Judges?
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chill Veteran user colorado, usa 385 Posts |
No box tricks? what is your definition of a box trick please.
bob
I spent most of my money on magic and women, the rest i just wasted
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oddsmaker New user 65 Posts |
This should be interesting.Seems a little odd to me.
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
I should have clarified in my original post, that I wanted to "organize" a originality Illusion contest, and see how many people would be interested in paticipating in such event. I was completly straight-forward in that I had no desire to profit from the contest, only to continue the Art of Magic.
Will
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
I contacted the forum manager and asked that my original post be deleted, I suppose they decided to leave it posted.
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JayH Regular user Finland 140 Posts |
There is some video clips in youtube that one guy who I was talking about... I think you must contact him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53YElPWPOE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGDeLfULHnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTS7QjdgxxY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7yWJCft-zk There is some clips from hes Multimagica Magic Show Jay |
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
Quote: my media play is offline, do you have his web address
Will
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JayH Regular user Finland 140 Posts |
http://www.tatutyni.com/en/index.html
That's hes home page, but unfortunately there aren't those cool videos what are on youtube. So I prefer that you take a look those clips in Youtube when you can. All Due Respect Jay |
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
Quote: All due respect, what does this have to do with the posted topic, as I said I'm not looking for new illusion ideas for myself.
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JayH Regular user Finland 140 Posts |
I think you should look those Youtube clips 'couse there is some illusions and other kinda magic without boxes... I just think you might be interested. And atleast they are entertaining.
Jay p.s Sorry if I have waste your time... |
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
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Jay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, that your are being StraightForward- If these youtube clips show illusion originality (without box tricks) then maybe some magicians will be inspired by them. As for personal inspiration, I have already completed a magical effects show with out the use of box tricks or standard ilusion routine. For Ideas I get a lot of inspiration from studying physics and popular science gadgets. Furthermore; you probaly know that most (maybe all) of the early illusion ideas were science and physic ideas that the public was not aware of. I think we should encourage beginners in magic to study the history of magic & illusion, along with physics and science... Will
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2008-02-22 10:26, Centerstage wrote: At least take the time to look at the clips before making snap judgements. They are quite novel and worth your while. Quote:
As for personal inspiration, I have already completed a magical effects show with out the use of box tricks or standard ilusion routine. For Ideas I get a lot of inspiration from studying physics and popular science gadgets. Furthermore; you probaly know that most (maybe all) of the early illusion ideas were science and physic ideas that the public was not aware of. I think we should encourage beginners in magic to study the history of magic & illusion, along with physics and science... Will In case you haven't been reading this board, frankly, we do. Look at many topics and you'll find the seasoned users making references to classic magicians, and directing posters to works on the subject for further research. In fact, it's a favorite theme on many of the forums outside of Grand Illusion. Most of us have a deep respect for the history of our medium, and work to instill that respect in others. Some of your earlier posts seem to denigrate this history- decrying 'tired, old effects' and 'box tricks', rather than acknowledging them as a spring board for new ideas. Face it- there's only about seven basic concepts used in illusions. They've been used for years, and any 'new ideas' are simply better materials and methods which still use these seven principles. I defy you to name one illusion which doesn't rely on them for its basis.
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minnich_magic New user 40 Posts |
[quote]On 2008-02-22 11:26, EsnRedshirt wrote:
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Face it- there's only about seven basic concepts used in illusions. They've been used for years, and any 'new ideas' are simply better materials and methods which still use these seven principles. I defy you to name one illusion which doesn't rely on them for its basis. I don't want to hijack Centerstage's original post, but the EsnRedshirt comments begs the question: Basic "concepts"- do you mean basic effects, such as Production, Vanish, etc.? "Principles" to me refers to methodology. The categories of methods used to accomplish illusionary effects greatly exceeds seven. Tom |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Tom, I do mean methodology. There are only seven basic methods used to accomplish any illusionary effect. I won't go into them on this open forum (for obvious reasons) but see Eric Van Duzer's The Seven Basic Secrets of Illusion Design for all the details.
You are right that there's nearly infinite ways to use those methods, but regardless of the materials used, the actual secret will boil down to one or more of those seven methods. Now Centerstage derides "box tricks" and "levitations"- but he's only limiting himself. There will always be "box tricks"; several of the principles require "boxes" in some way, shape, or form, in order to be implimented. Centerstage, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you really want is innovation. I agree with that- we need more original material and new methods of applying the old principles. I don't think illusionists will ever get around using the box- but that doesn't mean we have to make the box look like a box.
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
Tom, I agree with your point on methodology, I only mentioned science and physics as a basis of ideas, My personal belief is that its our god given ability that adds that something that science cant explain.
Will
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Will L. Regular user 192 Posts |
Quote: To esnredshirt, Your personal attacks and negative conclusions, are unwarranted and ignoRant. Can you show any of my posts, were I degraded classic magic, No you can't, because I havnt. as for the you tub clips if you would have read all the posts first, then you would understand, same for the box tricks. My only goal is to keep enhancing the art of magic. If you disagree with that, so be it. I have no desire to bicker, when we could be uniting and Innovating MAGIC.
Will
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Centerstage, I can see you really do desire innovation in magic. So do I. Maybe I misread your posts, but you seemed openly hostile to box tricks* and magic based on the inventors of the 1800's. My philosophy is that those inventors of the 1800's developed the key principles of all illusions; too many magicians don't give them the credit they're due.
Now, I design my own illusions, and I wouldn't dream of performing a standard effect unless I could give it my own, personal twist. I also think the art of magic has devolved into a Broadway musical revue with boxes, where every magician walks around their Origami illusion with background music, doing basically the same routine as every other magician. The Origami illusion never really lived for me until I saw the clip of Doug Henning performing it. Where's patter gone? What happened to the Robert Harbins of the world, who could hold an audience entranced while they performed Zig-Zag, or the innovative new presentations like when Alan Wakeling first performed his version of sawing a woman in half? You want new effects, I want refreshing presentation, so how about a truce? Don't be so harsh towards 'box tricks', and I promise that when I put an assistant in a box, she'll have a valid, plot-based reason for being there instead of a thinly veiled excuse to hide the secret. And I'll also 'hide the box' whenever I can. Centerstage, I think we're both aiming for a similar goal, so I apologize if I sounded harsh. Like I said earlier- we illusionists may always be stuck with what are essentially 'box tricks'*, but that doesn't mean we have to be obvious about where the boxes are. * It's also possible that I'm partially agoraphobic, but I find enclosed boxes to be quite comforting, and shudder at the thought of eliminating them from magic entirely...
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