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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Oooh provocative title wasn't it...
Now that you're hear and listening to the sound of your voice, relaxing deeper and d e e p e r as you do so...sorry, wrong thread... Where where you? oh yes - real psychics...not wishing to hij ack (sic) a new thread, I thought I'd ask you here... What in your mind, is a real psychic capable of if they did exist? its a serious question, as I'm researching a few things, and wish to garner opinions... The word psychic is sometimes confused with what mediums can allegedly do for example...so, in your eyes, third or otherwise - if you were to imagine that a psychic existed, what would their abilities be?
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Vincent.Lynch Elite user 409 Posts |
I'm actually wondering if any forum members geniunally believe psychics exist? who aren't just making barnum statements or using trickery.
I think a geniune psychic would almost be tripping as they enter someone elses mind, and really engage in reality is a disjointed way. It would be like a series of hallcinations rapidly impending ontop of one another. What does anyone else think? as for abilities, I'm just not quite sure, obviously seeing peoples inner minds is one of them. |
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Kevin Cook Elite user 431 Posts |
I sometimes have psychic flashes in which I fall into the world of the mind. Its tight in there and the windows are often blacked out or made of skin.
When I emerge from this world I am the same as all of mankind except with very different meanings and hands. For instance, in the mind Tuesdays and Thursdays are mixed around. Most confusing, especially when planning outings. Its funny, but one time I was actually being psychic for real and I was in the mind. When I came through the other side I was wearing a terrific pair of new pantaloons. Hope that helps. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 10:43, Patient One wrote: yeah that helps immensely, it reminds me of that time I was eating toast with your mum and she suddenly pulled her face off and covered it in butter...the strange thing was, she already was covered in butter from the night before... there was also that other time, where I rode a singing pony down your street, and every dog had your real face, and each man-dog revealed a word from a book I was reading that month... I do wonder where you get your picture from...
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
Well, I think one of the things that makes having a civil discussion about the issue so difficult, is the fact that the word itself is so malleable that its actual meaning becomes hard to pin down, even from one sentence to the next (and sneaky people can switch from one meaning to another while you aren't looking). I bring up this point in my performances, in what I guess you could call my disclaimer:
"Am I really psychic? That's a good question, and an important one. And it sounds like a simple one to answer, but it's really not. I'll be honest with you, I strongly dislike the word 'psychic,' because it has come to mean so many different things to different people that it becomes practically meaningless. To some people, a psychic is someone who can communicate with the dead. To others, it's someone with a paranormal ability to see into the future or hear other people's thoughts. Then to some, a psychic is more like someone whose awareness and empathy are heightened to such a degree that the results can seem paranormal. Yet another meaning of psychic is simply, related to the mind or consciousness. And really, that's just the tip of the iceberg. So depending on what you mean, my answer to the question 'Are you psychic' could be anything from, 'Yes, and so are you if you'd like,' all the way to, 'No, and I don't believe anyone else is either.' So instead, I prefer to just avoid the term altogether, and call myself a 'guy who has learned to do some cool and unusual things with his mind'."
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
I have a feeling that a genuine psychic would display just one ability rather than several. Maybe if we want to appear psychic, we should combine what we do into one overall ability too. Dunno, really. Just thinking aloud.
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Kevin Cook Elite user 431 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 11:00, abraxus wrote: My post was a genuine psychic happening. If you are not interested in what a real psychic event is like then that's fine but making fun of a mother's face is no way to conduct oneself in public. |
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Vincent.Lynch Elite user 409 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 11:09, Jon_Thompson wrote: I like this idea, but how can we implement it in mentalism. I cant remember but I was watching youtube vids the other day and I saw one youtube vid of a mentalist who just did about 9 different memory effects, and I thought "wow he seems like the real thing" So I think your deffinetly onto something.. |
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
This is a valid topic. One of things that gave the Stanislavski approach to acting was the use of a the 'magic if'. What this boils down to is exactly what abraxus was asking about. The idea is to imagine what the real thing would be, and then use your skills as a performer to come to as close to it as possible.
One thing to consider is what the public conceives psychic ability to be. For many years in the early part of 20th Century, psychic ability was something from the 'mystic East' and if you wanted to convince people you could read minds you need to don a turban. So, what does psychic ability mean to the public today? |
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 12:20, Todd Robbins wrote: That's a very interesting question. Does the number 646 mean anything to you? If not, fine, but if it does, maybe it's something to do with that feeling. Dunno. It's interesting,though. |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Cold Case Files...Finding dead bodies and missing persons...Hunting Ghosts...avoiding election campaigns.
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Mindtrap Veteran user 316 Posts |
Or state what we can NOT do. There are lab-recorded Russian individuals who have been able to move and fuse solid wooden objects just with their mind. I can only seem to make them slightly more brittle, but from as long as I can remember Ive had a strong affinity with all things made of metal.
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LLL Inner circle 1574 Posts |
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On 2008-02-21 12:20, Todd Robbins wrote: I was reading the chapter on the "magic if" last night in The Actor Prepares, very good stuff. mescalitoeyes
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
Wow, that's spooky. At last we have a true psychic in our midst.
Jon, send me your address 'cause I have a friend that has a million dollar check for you. Todd (It is hard to be certain of the intent and tone of a post. Jon, please know that I appreciated your post and wrote the above in lighthearted jest.) By the way, it would have been a more effective hit if you were a little less direct and added a little mystical vagueness to it. If you had stated, "I am getting an impression of 4s and 6s, combined together in various combinations" you would have not only gotten a hit on my address, but also the area code of my cell phone, my home phone number and various other places those two numbers show up. Quote:
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On 2008-02-21 12:44, mescalitoeyes wrote: Yes, I know that mescalitoeyes. I was remote viewing and saw you reading that. That is why I posted that reference. By the way, what's up with that scar on your leg? T odd |
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LLL Inner circle 1574 Posts |
Lol, if I told you I walked into a bench the other day the others would never believe me. I hope you stopped viewing after I finished that chapter, I was reading in bed.
mescalito
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
It was last year, the last tabula mentis meeting, david berglas doing a q&a session - and he said that its a heavy mantle, being a man of mystery, or us mentalists...if you start getting known, you can never ask for directions, forget a name, all kinds of things - having a good memory would seem one of the many displayable skill sets some mentalists have...
but I digress, the irony though, is that there is so many angry anti-psychic types, yet, a lot of the actual effects, or rather, the mechanics and original basis of some effects - are replicating some form of psychic power... I know there's a branching off in mentalism, or theres a framework branching off from the more traditional mentalism - where its presented as psychologically based, NLP, suggestion... sorry, rambled off again... right - psychic - for me, a real psychic would have a very much heightened sense of intuition, I see it more as a genetic/natural growth of what we already are - more empathic, strong sense of intuition (with say a 70-80% hit rate easily)... seeing into the future and zoning in on definate things...hmmm..maybe...and,what about, dependant on your other skills, like painting, music, prose, whatever, you could kind of combine the two together? or one would manifiest inside the other? so, whereas someone who studied speed reading, and memory techniques could memorize an entire book in 10-15 minutes and recall a detail or two... maybe a psychic would just have to hold the book for a moment or two and get an overall sense of certain paragraphs? maybe they wouldnt even have to touch it... psychic - I'd like to step away from the hollywood defined term, as I think that's almost a comedy cliche these days... ever had that during a gig? "oy, mr mindreader - if you can predict things, whats the lottery numbers?" now, here, I actually write down 6 numbers and give it to them straight away - puts them on the back foot, and say "here you go...though I won't tell you when those numbers will come in..." the problem with the hollywood version is, that the psychic would automatically have to answer all these absolute questions - why aren't you mega-rich? why are you in this theatre tonight if you don't have to work? why don't you go out and save someone's life instead? I'd like to sidestep all that twaddle, by defining my own label of what psychic ability means, I don't want people to be scared of the word... so, in summing up, a psychic to me means: a more emotively aware person someone who has a much higher level of, and trusted/proven sense of awareness/intuition/gut instinct how would people feel by the definition of psuedo-psyhic by the way? no flaming, or high-horses allowed...play nicely...
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
For a series of girlfriends, about four or five, I had a dream about us breaking up the night before it happened. Of course it was always them breaking up so it wasn't a self fulfilling thing .... precognition? Some of course you could see coming but the others weren't quite that way. I know this revelation leaves me "Wide Open" for comment
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Silvertongue Inner circle One day I will die leaving behind 2426 Posts |
I am reminded of the statue of the weeping yogi when I think about what a true psychic would be like.
You would never see them because of all the suffering that exists in the world and because of the effect it has on them. They would feel a profound obligation to help others and never add to their suffering. They would understand cause and effect on truely profound levels and would be able to read omens or signs in reality. They would work tirelessly to understand the Ultimate Truth because they would realize that this is the meaning of their precious human life. They would be consumed by love, compassion and wisdom and this would determine the course of their lives, they would understand their purpose in reality and use it to every living beings full advantage. At least if I were psychic this is how I'd feel... Declan
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And living beings remain in cyclic existence, For that long, may I too remain, to dispel the sufferings of the world. -Shantideva Engaging in the Conduct of a Bodhisattva |
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
For those more knowledgeable than I (which I's guessing is most of you) -- when did spoon and key bending first appear as a psychic ability? Growing up, I only became aware of it through watching Geller on TV. My reason for asking is -- what defines a psychic may be what a "psychic" does to define him or herself. Up until Geller, was the pubic aware that psychics could bend metal? If I claim to be psychic, does anything I do that is unexplainable define my psychic abilities?
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chichi711 Inner circle 5810 Posts |
I'd picture it the exact opposite of Declan. Why? If someone was "psychic" I don't think they would be "all knowing". I fall into the they could do one thing camp. If you have ever seen the show "Next" with Nicholas Cage that is what I would imagine. He could see a min or two into his OWN future. What happened around HIM.
Another example is one that Richard Osterlind recently spoke about. The movie Unbreakable with Bruce Willis. The only way he could "see" into someones life momentarily was by physically touching them. Even then he only saw a snap shot. |
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