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Many a cynic hides behind the mask of a skeptic.

I do disagree that Criss could possibly have had his pride in something as small as an envelope. Something the size of Canada, perhaps.

*jeep!
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Popped off an email to the editor. I don't expect much of a response but I felt it is the responsibility of anybody who feels strongly on this matter, pro or con.

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Doug,

I am a fan of Shermer's work however this particular topic isn't regarding the magazine as a whole, skepticism as a whole, or anything as a whole, even though those are the sides that will be taken. It is specifically regarding the actions of Angel, on a television show, against a particular performer, while other performers making just as "impossible" claims (stopping hearts, etc) were left completely alone or complimented. IMHO at least.
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Well...Bitterman is the one who should send an eMail since he is the one with the goods.

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Pretty big leap of logic for a skeptic there, Doug, don't you think?
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My friend Michael Shermer is editor of Skeptic magazine, and is not involved with The Skeptical Inquirer. They are two different (aherm) entities.

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Thanks for the clarification, SI is a CSICOP publication, I am pretty sure. However, my basic position holds, it isn't about the editor, the "sides" you take on the skepticism issue, it is specifically regarding this situation. In any case, my position is clear and I don't think I need say anything more.
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Leminscate...I had posted that before reading yours.

writing and typing writing and typing (read) writying andf typing writing and typing

haha

I had told Joe about CA's antics though in not so glowing terms

My mistake linking Shermer. I only know Joe and brain farted Michael in the mix.
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"Skeptic (magazine) is a quarterly science education and science advocacy magazine published internationally by The Skeptics Society, a nonprofit organization devoted to promoting scientific skepticism and resisting the spread of pseudoscience, superstition, and irrational beliefs. Founded by Skeptics Society founder Michael Shermer, the magazine was first published in the spring of 1992, and is published through Millennium Press.

As of the end of 2007, Shermer remains the Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of the magazine. The magazine’s Co-publisher and Art Director is Pat Linse. Other noteworthy members of its editorial board include Oxford University evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, Pulitzer Prize-winning scientist Jared Diamond, magician and escape artist-turned educator James “The Amazing” Randi, and actor, comedian, and Saturday Night Live alumna Julia Sweeney.

Skeptic is available by subscription or on major newsstands in the U.S. and Canada."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptic_(magazine)
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"The Skeptical Inquirer is a bimonthly, American magazine published by the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI), formerly the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal, or CSICOP.

CSI's mission statement is to "encourage the critical investigation of paranormal and fringe-science claims from a responsible, scientific point of view and disseminate factual information about the results of such inquiries to the scientific community and the public." The Skeptical Inquirer is an internationally referred journal (Bartholomew and Radford 2003:220), but it is not a formal scientific journal.

The content consists of articles, columns and book reviews on a variety of topics that the authors seek to examine critically, including ESP, homeopathy, astrology, SETI, the creation-evolution controversy, the historical basis of legendary persons such as King Arthur, and controversial medical diagnoses like Attention Deficit Disorder. The magazine is headquartered in Amherst, New York.

For the thirtieth anniversary of the Skeptical Inquirer in 2006, CSICOP founder Paul Kurtz listed four long-standing policies:
to criticize claims of the paranormal and pseudoscience
to replicate the methods of scientific inquiry and the nature of the scientific outlook
to seek a balanced view of science in the mass media
to teach critical thinking in the schools (Kurtz 2006:14).

If an article criticizes a proponent of a paranormal claim, he is always given an opportunity to respond. (Kurtz 2006:15). Some have taken advantage of that opportunity (Suitbert Ertel and Michel Gauquelin, for example)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_Inquirer
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Thanks Arnin.

(check's in the mail)
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Emails aren't worth the paper they are... well, you know what I mean. I will, how-some-ever, be posting an old fashion screed on paper to the magazine shortly. I do enjoy reading SI; now if only they would have a swim suit issue like the other SI. The Ladies of Roswell, hubba hubba!


P.S.: The 'Naked' version of Let It Be (bootleg, not the McCartney thing from a couple of years ago) gets my vote for Best Beatles Album, because; after all, that is what this thread is about...
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Have you ever seen the Ladies Of Roswell? I hear the next town has a few without pieces missing.





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Quote:
On 2008-02-21 15:05, Arnon wrote:
"Skeptic (magazine) is a quarterly science education and science advocacy magazine published internationally by The Skeptics Society, a nonprofit organization devoted to promoting scientific skepticism and resisting the spread of pseudoscience, superstition, and irrational beliefs. Founded by Skeptics Society founder Michael Shermer, the magazine was first published in the spring of 1992, and is published through Millennium Press.

As of the end of 2007, Shermer remains the Publisher and Editor-in-Chief of the magazine. The magazine’s Co-publisher and Art Director is Pat Linse. Other noteworthy members of its editorial board include Oxford University evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, Pulitzer Prize-winning scientist Jared Diamond, magician and escape artist-turned educator James “The Amazing” Randi, and actor, comedian, and Saturday Night Live alumna Julia Sweeney.

Skeptic is available by subscription or on major newsstands in the U.S. and Canada."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptic_(magazine)
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"The Skeptical Inquirer is a bimonthly, American magazine published by the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI), formerly the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal, or CSICOP.

CSI's mission statement is to "encourage the critical investigation of paranormal and fringe-science claims from a responsible, scientific point of view and disseminate factual information about the results of such inquiries to the scientific community and the public." The Skeptical Inquirer is an internationally referred journal (Bartholomew and Radford 2003:220), but it is not a formal scientific journal.

The content consists of articles, columns and book reviews on a variety of topics that the authors seek to examine critically, including ESP, homeopathy, astrology, SETI, the creation-evolution controversy, the historical basis of legendary persons such as King Arthur, and controversial medical diagnoses like Attention Deficit Disorder. The magazine is headquartered in Amherst, New York.

For the thirtieth anniversary of the Skeptical Inquirer in 2006, CSICOP founder Paul Kurtz listed four long-standing policies:
to criticize claims of the paranormal and pseudoscience
to replicate the methods of scientific inquiry and the nature of the scientific outlook
to seek a balanced view of science in the mass media
to teach critical thinking in the schools (Kurtz 2006:14).

If an article criticizes a proponent of a paranormal claim, he is always given an opportunity to respond. (Kurtz 2006:15). Some have taken advantage of that opportunity (Suitbert Ertel and Michel Gauquelin, for example)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_Inquirer


Are you saying that Jim may get a chance to respond?
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I beleive it is important to keep an open mind - I do read si

it is a fair to partly cloudy publication -

I do feel it is important to be skeptical but not closed minded as many of the mentioned people of the publication are in my opinion.

The mag and the rest do some good value sometimes and most of the time shamelessly self promote and often use misleading information to debunk topics. They are not as priten a source as they could be and that is what is unfortunate.

and randi has exposed performers... and effects...and methods...

as have the others....

while that may not be their intent...

I do think it is important to be kept breast of all points of view...
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It is all publicity for Jim. That dust up was the best thing that happened to him. It was the one interesting moment in an otherwise dull series.
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Ten years ago I took my son to the Music shop to buy any CD that he wanted. He was 11 at the time and I thought that he'd select some heavy pop recording of some sort ... he chose .... RUBBER SOUL .... I just about died with pride!
You can see him on this years Van's Warper Tour Smile
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For the record: I have no affinity to Randi. A cranky old man with an agressive agenda. As opposed to a happy old man like me, who's agenda is waking up tomorrow. Smile



Jim is on the way up...it's all good as Todd says.
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Dull is the understatement of the century....

the only travesty connected with the tragedy known as phenomenon was the criss angel travesty...

:)

yes good pr for jim

everything is symbiotic -

day and night
hot and cold
psychics and skeptics

they feed off and cross promote each other.
nice band wagon to ride on if you can catch that pr ride
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I'm happy for Jim and all the seriousness he offers and believes for his art, hats of to that.

For whatever sake stop reading SI. Those people are just puttiing their insecurity and ignorance about life in print, that's all.
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But when all was said and done, George wasn't really a very good guitar player.
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On 2008-03-11 15:15, bitterman wrote:
But when all was said and done, George wasn't really a very good guitar player.


Lalalalalalala - not listening. Technically perhaps not - although he was far from bad, he was never going to play a face melter- but it wouldn't fit the band. He knew what was needed, and his ability to create a tune, regardless of simplicity can't really be underestimated.

What were we talking about again? ;p
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