So then, we've discussed what a real psychic may be able to do...

what would an uber-psychological mind-master be able to do?

let's avoid all derren remarks if we can...

a jacked up jungian type? telling you what your dreams are or will be even? be able to predict all your physical and emotional responses?

or maybe a sexually expressive feardom fighter with an obsession for numbers following him around? *joke*

go!

Isn't that where the last conversation was going anyways?

Not if you don't want it to...

or are you saying there's no real difference between a real psychic and a real psychological master?

I think he'd be able to tell you what you're feeling and why, and would be able to predict beliefs and behaviours. If you can predict, you can exploit and control

Oh there is a difference. I think a real psychological master is Dr Phil. Somebody that knows it all. You know what I mean.

I think what Derren does is exactly how it should look. I know you want to avoid that side of it, but in my opinion if someone could do it for real it would look almost exactly how Derren presents it.

I would encourage people to do what tomo has done, and step beyond what derren has displayed, unless you think derren is the pinicle obviously...

but I think that's a very interesting thing already - "able to tell you what you're feeling and why"...you don't get derren telling you that do you...

I think looking at both sides of the mentalist fence is a good and positive thing...gives you fascinating insights to both...and hey, maybe it'll help each to understand the other more?

How you are feeling and why? isn't that what a regular psychologist does? I was joking about Dr Phil, but in reality he does tell a lot of peole what they are feeling and why. That is common place is it not?

Be able to penetrate to the deepest levels of motivation and intent from observable means (however subtle, ie not from psi-waves); extrapolate, anticipate, affect, orchestrate or otherwise subtly manipulate events and behaviour several whole steps ahead(malignly or benignly) with startling depth of insight. Have savant-like powers of their own intelligence and yogic-like control of their own body; be able to demonstrate and teach them too. A bit like...
Svengali of Trilby
Carradine in The Silent Flute/Circle of Iron
Sherlock Holmes
Hannibal Lector
Me

but not the last one

I'd add Robbie Coltrain's Cracker for those in the UK

I agree with prediction, but influencing peoples choices and behaviour is even more powerful. That's what marketing is all about, but only moderate successful.

Endre

I think that they would be able to know as much about a person or situation from the smallest amount of information. Like the guys on that criminal minds tv show.

It's quite scary when you think about the abilities someone like that would have.

- I would imagine them to be able to very quickly persuade you to agree with their opinion (or any opinion for that matter) in most given situations

- To tell when you are lying in any given situation

- To accurately judge your true opinion of them and others around you

- To reliably predict your behaviour, topics of conversation, perhaps even what you are planning to do later that day or even week.



This is really quite worrying when you get down to it, no wonder people look at us strangely when we claim these abilities !



All the best

David

IMHO a real psychological master should/would be able to do all the above, but would also be able:

(i) to quickly and easily read the hidden subtext hidden in what people do and say, and pick up on those subltle linguistic distinctions that shape 'reality'. In other words, be able to detect the language games that are being deployed by people (perhaps for stratetic purposes) and hold on to alternative (and perhaps better or truer) viewpoints and perspectives rather than being drawn into those games .... to avoid being hypnotized by language.

(ii) to quickly and easily see through the lies fed to us by the government, the media and by large corporations, and hence quickly and easily deconstruct those lies, exposing and ridiculing them for what they are ... again, breaking free from the language games.

(iii) and following point (ii), to protect the weak, disadvantaged, the excluded, the poor, vulnerable and the disenfranchised.

(iv) yes, yogic-control of the body - fire walking, glass walking, fire and glass walking, wood-breaking, metal -bending (through summoning strength, not through PK powers), endure great pain, control the heart-rate and even slow it.

(v) to be happy and peaceful, despite what is going on around them.

(vi) solve the occasional problem.

Olly

To me, ridiculing the "lies" would not be part of a psychological master's skills. He would simply have the ability to inform others of the fact in a way which would cast no doubt to the truthfulness of that facts the master is presenting.

Just my thoughts

On second thoughts, I thing a real psychological master would be able to provide a grand unified theory of psychology. Such a person would provide a discourse that unites the domains/paradigms/methods/problems etc of biopsychology, cognitive psychology, psychodynamics, social psychology, discursive psychology etc with each other.

Hopefully one day I will be that man!

Olly

Vai - Yeah, perhaps the word 'ridiculing' is a bit strong!

I think he will work for the government..

If he was an entertainer, he will go to many scientific laboratories.

He cant play in Vegas, he cant bet at any place. He will be covered by the government and he he will be almost an slave for CIA.

I don't see why he or she couldn't play at Vegas though, if there was purpose (They would not be greedy enough to get caught or stupid enough not to see the consequences of chains of events or simply would not play against the house, a Doyle Brunson, a Daniel Negreanu, perhaps), or even necessarily be flagged-up or a slave, or exclusively either ridicule ‘lies’ or not etc, etc. She could see through that and could be a 'scam artist' extraordinaire.
-They wouldn’t just see the single outcome of events, but would effectively be playing long-range strategic chess (not just single or multiple move), and therefore may use all sorts of ploys of bluffs/double-bluffs/triple bluffs and so on, for example.

They would therefore also have the inventiveness of a Leonardo DaVinci, along with the awareness and control of whole patterns of events of a Jason Bourne character too.
'Nasty' Psy Master/Mistress could also merely utilize the weak, disadvantaged, the excluded, ... in such a chess game and STILL have it looked upon favorably... as long as THAT ITSELF was deemed useful to him.

The true psychological master would smile at all the musing and then get some sleep.

A psychological master would be able to implant false memories of supposed 'loved' ones and long lost friends and then reveal the information, appearing psychic.

Or... Has that already been done?