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Corruption in some Latin American prisons has allowed powerful criminals to buy extraordinary privileges behind bars. News of the Weird's report on Venezuela's San Antonio prison described the imperial reign of one drug lord-inmate, who presided over a personal armory, a local-community drug market and private parties (and with his own DirectTV account). In a surprise raid in November on a prison in Acapulco, Mexico, the usual drugs and weapons turned up, but also 100 fighting roosters for daily gambling.
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http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aainjail.htm

1 in 32 under correctional supervision, be it prison, parole, or probation.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aainjail.htm

1 in 32 under correctional supervision, be it prison, parole, or probation.


Given that 32 was around the number of students in each of my high school classes, it sounds about right that at least one from each class ended up in the joint. But, then again, I went to school in New Jersey so it may have been higher.
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Prediction:

The US will go through the most turbulent period in its history over the coming 20 years. Thereafter it will become the source of all spiritual goodness on the entire planet. At the moment, it is morally, economically, socially and politically breaking to pieces, there is disintegration everywhere (and it will get worse). Once the nation has encountered and broken through these tests, it will arise as the global leader in all these fields.

I'm sorry to say it but at the moment, the level of decadence, social disorder, disunity, and political corruption is at an all-time high, but trust me this is (globall-speaking) a great thing, because in the background, there's a lot of good things happening too which will eventually prevail, so 1 in 32 doesn't surprise me at all, but keep fighting the good fight guys Smile

What the US needs right now (in my humble opinion) is a cohort of individuals dedicated to conducting themselves with the greatest moral rectitude, so much so that you shine like a beacon. Light shines at its most potent in the dark, and light in this condition is very attractive...

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What the US needs right now (in my humble opinion) is a cohort of individuals dedicated to conducting themselves with the greatest moral rectitude, so much so that you shine like a beacon.


Yeah, but who gets to decide which moral code is the one to follow? (Rhetorical.)
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I agree with critter. We already have too many self-appointed arbiters of moral rectitude. That's one of the problems.
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The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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....trustworthiness, truthfulness, tactfulness, respect, honesty, reverence for all life, responsibility, excellence, humility, service.....

personally reflecting on a daily basis on these aspects of moral rectitude will take the US a long way. Hows that for a start.....can anyone say that trying to practice the qualities and working daily on bettering yourself in that practice will take the US backwards?

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Given that 32 was around the number of students in each of my high school classes, it sounds about right that at least one from each class ended up in the joint.


The proportion of people who are incarcerated is about the same now as it was in the 1950s. But at that time, most of them were in State hospitals - mental institutions. Those institutions were mostly closed in the 1960s and 1970s, and the folks held in them put on the street. So in the 1970s and 1980s, the proportion of people incarcerated in the US was the lowest it had been in the XXth century. It took a while, but now we are back about where we always used to be. Only this time, the overwhelming majority of the people who are incarcerated are in prisons.

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On 2012-01-05 02:47, LobowolfXXX wrote:
The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.


I would say that most of the latter started out as the former. I've no use for either.
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The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.


I would say that most of the latter started out as the former. I've no use for either.



What category do those that live an exemplary life fall under, you know, the ones that have not written or talked about a moral code, but when you look at their lives, you think WOW! I wish everyone on earth strived to BE like that.....

Are people like that self-appointed or elected?

Has anyone come across anyone that fits that description?

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The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.


I would say that most of the latter started out as the former. I've no use for either.


So you're an anarchist Smile

As for how people should behave, I think some of the best advice can be found in an airplane.

“Remember to secure your own oxygen mask before assisting others with theirs.”
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.


I would say that most of the latter started out as the former. I've no use for either.


Is the issue really that people self-appoint themselves as moral arbiters, or that people's arbitrations differ from ours? If you support the woman who killed the guy trying to break into her house, or if you think that abortion should be legal, or if you think that some people's tax money should be taken under threat of imprisonment to pay for the health care and education of other people, are you not being a moral arbIter?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I'm not sure how this thread transitioned from a discussion about how many Americans are incarcerated to "America's Dumbest Criminals," but getting back to the original discussion, those who think we're putting too MANY people in prison ...

The original point of this discussion (I speak as the thread starter) had nothing to do with either of those.

Rather, I was simply wondering why there are never any jailbirds posting in this forum when there are as many in jail as there are.

To the best of my knowledge, still no one here has stepped up and admitted to posting from behind bars.
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The smiley face led me to believe that question was rhetorical. (I've used that word twice in two days. It is not my favorite word...)
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Do they have internet in jail?
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The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.


I would say that most of the latter started out as the former. I've no use for either.


Is the issue really that people self-appoint themselves as moral arbiters, or that people's arbitrations differ from ours? If you support the woman who killed the guy trying to break into her house, or if you think that abortion should be legal, or if you think that some people's tax money should be taken under threat of imprisonment to pay for the health care and education of other people, are you not being a moral arbIter?


Not really - because I try not to pass judgment on those whose views differ from mine.
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Well, balducci, like the man said she said, "We are all just prisoners here, of our own device."

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On 2012-01-05 02:47, LobowolfXXX wrote:
The problem isn't the self-appointed ones; it's the elected ones.


I would say that most of the latter started out as the former. I've no use for either.


Is the issue really that people self-appoint themselves as moral arbiters, or that people's arbitrations differ from ours? If you support the woman who killed the guy trying to break into her house, or if you think that abortion should be legal, or if you think that some people's tax money should be taken under threat of imprisonment to pay for the health care and education of other people, are you not being a moral arbIter?


I agree very much with this. Who can we trust as an independent moral arbiter, that can be used as a source for true justice?

Surely, this post is begging for a regular flow of relatively changing moral guidelines that are aligned to the stage of evolution of civilization, from a source that can unite the said civilization under a commonly moral banner....


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It if was not for prison, half of us would not have ever learned sleight of hand to become a magician. Smile
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