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alex cahill
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Has anyone come across this effect?

The performer and spectator each have five ESP cards. The perfomer lays a card face down first, followed by the spectator. Another card is laid on top by the performer and the spectator does the same. This is done with the rest of the cards and at the end the cards are dealt from the top of each pile and they match up.

I have played around with this and the one ahead principle does not always work. Symbologic, the marketed trick, is not the same!!! Can anyone give me some help? Smile
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The effect sounds exactly like Symbologic to me.
You say "Symbologic is not the same".
What is the difference?
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There are several versions of this effect, many of which use extra or "special" cards. For an ungimmicked version that can be done completely impromptu, consider Bob's Your Uncle from my book Mindsights. You'll find lots of reviews at the Website below.

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Derren Brown does a similar thing in one of his Mindcontrol specials.
We can't really reveal secrets here, but I will just say that the effect done two times in a row will not always look the same.
For me, the DB approach is direct, simple, and devastating for the spec.
After watching DB, I decided that it is the best ESP match routine that (at least) I know.
My recommendation is to watch the clip several times then don't go back to it. Think about the possible solutions and develop your own presentation.
nir
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On 2003-03-10 12:54, Nir Dahan wrote:
Derren Brown does a similar thing in one of his Mindcontrol specials.
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My recommendation is to watch the clip several times then don't go back to it. Think about the possible solutions and develop your own presentation.
nir


Where can I get the clip? Is it on one of those Derren Brown DVDs?

Thanks!
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The jon tremain video has such an effect. but it`s just one pile! kiki
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The version that DB uses can use one pile. The 'work' is still the same. Having 2 piles just makes the misdirection easier.
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For those REALLY interested....re-read Doug's note.

For what it's worth,
Ted (Leondo)
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YOU ARE LOOKING FOR "Bob Carver's ESP Demonstration".

Charles Pecor and Doug Dyment both have this routine written up in lecture note forms. THIS IS AN OUSTANDING, DIRECT (should I say ungimmicked) piece of mentalism.

It is a worthy thing to buy and read both:

Charles Pecor's "Sinister variations" or "Picards Performance Pieces" both
of which have Bob Carver's Routine. Charles includes some very nice
subtleties that really help "sell" the routine.

also,

Doug Dyments "Mindsights" includes the routine with some stream-lined handling
for some of the "work". Doug's thoughts are a fantastic help mastering this
routine.



I would be glad to answer any questions about this routine. PM me with questions regarding how to reach Charles Pecor for his notes (as he is a friend of mine). I am sure he would be glad to hear from you.

Doug has graciously added his contact info above. I have read his "Mindsights" , it truly is fantastic. You can't go wrong owning both!!!!


In thoughts,
Sean
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Another vote for Bob Carver's "ESP Demonstration" and Doug Dyments handling called "Bob's Your Uncle." It's an effect that I carry with me in my Stealth Wallet and perform ALL THE TIME. Learn it!

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You could also check out the new submodalities DVD
for an excellent version of ESP match up
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Check out Bob Cassidy's ESP match up routine in his Artful Mentalism. It is exactly the same as one I nearly published in my book Thoughts So Far, until someone pointed it out to me that it was already in print. I don't have the book but I know the routine very well and it is great!

Worth a look!

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Kennedy,
Does that involve the Zenner Cards and the coin envelopes? If so, it is brilliant and bold. Your right, it is definately a great routine (or so it reads). Thanks for the reminder... I'll have to try that.

Sean
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I also do several variations. A version I love is 'Judgement day' by Luke Jermay from his book 'Building blocks'. Its an amazing routine for me and direct to the hit. Like many of Lukes' work its based upon psychological verbal technique but IMO worth to try out.

I always have great fun with it since its so direct.

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On 2005-10-31 07:54, mattH wrote:
You could also check out the new submodalities DVD
for an excellent version of ESP match up


Does this plays on NTSC? Or for PAL only?
Any U.S. users have this DVD?
I had tried to contact Magicbox but somehow mail form didn't work.
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The routine I was thinking of doesn't use the envelopes at all, no. It involves the spectator choosing which cards to switch over...hope that helps?

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I remember that, a matched sequence routine. I appreciate the help.

Sean
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On 2005-11-01 04:03, rockbrunnen wrote:
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On 2005-10-31 07:54, mattH wrote:
You could also check out the new submodalities DVD
for an excellent version of ESP match up


Does this plays on NTSC? Or for PAL only?
Any U.S. users have this DVD?
I had tried to contact Magicbox but somehow mail form didn't work.


I made a contact with Magicbox. They say it plays on NTSC. Thanks.
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The thing about Doug Dyments routine which lets it down I reckon is the dealing off the bottom of a packet using a standard card sleight


The better methods allow you to deal off the top of the packet or better still not allow the cards or packets to touch at all. Then there is no evidence or clue of anything extra going on


Dougs method is good and very interesting if you are wanting to research the effect and maybe do need a no gaff version. It doesn't look that clean IMO though

Choosing the best method for esp matching routines can be very difficult

There are so many good ones

I wonder what Doug thinks is the best method?

...or maybe he only knows the one he sells
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For a b****m d**l, you just need a split second of misdirection.

Should be no problem for those with experience in metal bending, for example.
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