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chichi711
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Why do we post in pennies at all? Why isn't everything we talk about going on in inner thoughts??????

I know habbits are hard to break, but is it really that hard to just scroll to the bottom of the forum?

Things to consider.

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Because we are all charlatans - now, let us get to melting some brains!!!
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Excellent point - anyone that qualifies t post there ( and the qualification is not much of a standard) should post only there from that point on - excellent thought let's all move
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Recently it has been a real pleasure to be part of the Café, there has been some amazing posts, some real brain candy.

I'll be there although I've not got much to say at the moment.

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I find it funny that in other posts people ask for information by saying can anybody help me out on the P****** of k********* ****** ****** when in inner thoughts they could just type what they want.
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Yeah,
***** **** ***** ********** ********** ** ****** *****?

PM me any respones.

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I agree Nathan. I'll pm you with my thoughts on that.
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******!

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On 2008-03-07 11:13, nathanpain wrote:
Yeah,
***** **** ***** ********** ********** ** ****** *****?

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** *****!!!

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Is inner thoughts diverted from google ? I know every word of Penny is in googles database, which I think completely wrong.
Its true inner thoughts is completely under used - I wonder other than voting to go more, what else could be done to encourage it as the main place... I think the whole thing needs a review!
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Inner thoughts shouldnt pull up in google. Outside of this thread I don't plan on posting in pennys anymore (or others like it).

I am sure this post will be deleted for my following thought, but it hurts the Café for this information to not be "googleable". Less traffic=less money. that's the name of the game in internet world right?
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If Inner Thoughts required 200 posts to get in it might have more credibility. I think anyone can get 50 posts pretty quick and that leaves little reason to post there. Might as well post here not much difference "security wise".
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On 2008-03-07 16:58, Roth wrote:
If Inner Thoughts required 200 posts to get in it might have more credibility. I think anyone can get 50 posts pretty quick and that leaves little reason to post there. Might as well post here not much difference "security wise".


I disagree. There are a lot of people that read these threads that don't even bother to set up an account. Let alone post once, or 50 times. I do think the 50 post minimum should go up to 200 or something like that, but 50 is better than nothing. Everytime I say this I about get banned and my post gets deleted, but magicians complain night and day about exposure, yet they in there own posts on the Café probably expose more effects than all the other avenues combined. I dare say you could learn an entire magic act from scratch just by reading a few threads on the Café.
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Hope not chichi, afterall were purely thinking about the good of the café along with the art. A lot of thought must have gone into it as it is. Just not sure it works best.
It is true, and we know this is a business and to exist, must be viable one - absolute zero problems, its a good thing. Wondering how to have cake and eat it.

-penny topic headers only - googlable. Surely that would get plenty traffic. Does it otherwise suffer from traffic problems?
-messages viewing - member registered-only viewing, not public, not googled.
-some range of big cap(s)/ limit(s) in penny. Limit to the ranges of discussion in penny too.
-once you reach entry point, limits to how much you post on Penny.
-some kind of extra forum powers/incentives in inner (other than merely the supposed "inner secrets" of the known universe)

Most of the good discussions happen in penny where no secrets are remotely covered, but nonetheless you feel restricted, conscious in what you say. Inner seems *specially reserved* for secrets only, general chat not good enough to qualify for it (with lots of easy to guess s*crets inadvertently thrown in here). -Just the general impressions of what the forums seems to be now, rather than more ideal -penny to be the quieter, introductory creche for beginners, and inner the busy traffic, wider scope, main deal. Right now, the emphasis is on no-secrets/all-secrets.
I know it would take a lot more thought that this, just thinking out loud (probably gibberish).

Roth, I think 200 post would increase the signal to noise ratio unbearably. And continue to drive all the posts here in penny to get to 200 for example. Its taken me months to get to 70 or whatever and I have almost zero interest in Inner Thoughts now, and was never even a remote interest to get into at any point along the way, nor ever would be at this setup - here is where 95%+ of the thought/posts/traffic is. Also, everyone will post at a different rate here with their differring style in terms of conversational to ideas or factual. I'd think about lowering it to 25 (if it was setup differently)! Somehow encourage Inner as the main, just away from idle curiosity.
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I agree that pennies is a lot of blah blah blah psychic this psychic that. Your mother is this and your dad is that, but ive seen a lot of things posted that should not be in an open forum in my opinion.
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Shame we cant make this area password protected to get in, it should be quite easy...

maybe a little auto-respond eform kinda thing to get access? just some basic questions on mentalism from corinda and annemann...then you get the password...

a little like the learned pig site where you have to give him a mini-routine to gain access...
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On 2008-03-07 18:58, abraxus wrote:
Shame we cant make this area password protected to get in, it should be quite easy...

maybe a little auto-respond eform kinda thing to get access? just some basic questions on mentalism from corinda and annemann...then you get the password...

a little like the learned pig site where you have to give him a mini-routine to gain access...


That would be great, but doesn't turn a buck for the Café. There is the problem
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On 2008-03-07 18:56, chichi711 wrote:
I agree that pennies is a lot of blah blah blah psychic this psychic that. Your mother is this and your dad is that, but ive seen a lot of things posted that should not be in an open forum in my opinion.


Agree entirely -also here may not cover hardcore analysis of methods, technically the 'secrets', as such, but mentalism as we know in particular, the focus (a big part of the real secret)is on how the often basic methods interacts with diffferent presentations, personality and smaller subtle points. To freely read through just this alone (penny: nearly 10 thousand topics worth, getting towards 200 thousand posts of information) from one-click away,...well it would be best behind at least some minimal safeguards.

How about penny topics are time-limited...any member can view them for 15...20...30 days from their startdate, then theyre auto-dumped over to InnerThts to hopefully continue the discussion in more depth. Or only the last two weeks worth of posts(from topic startdate) are in Penny. Etc. Etc. Again just thoughts.
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Here's a controversial comment for this thread...

For all the whining about TV exposures of not just mentalism and magic, I find it truly hypocritically that one of the biggest resources for magicians 'The magic Café' is fully indexed by Google minus a couple of sections ( inner thoughts being one of them), take something someone is likely to type into Google..
hXXp://www.google.com/search?q=Does+derren+brown+really+use+NLP&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

Bam 2nd page on Google, which is then the door way into the whole mentalism area.

I know there are a load of different justifications for the board being indexed. This board like so many other has a responsibility to magician and mentalist the world over, to help protect the art. The reason I do not post anything routine wise here now is for that reason. There are other boards that have taken step to ensure that no posts are index by Google, placing this ethics above the dollar.

I agree with Mr. Chichi that if we are going to discuss anything mentalism on here at least move it to the inner thoughts section, where at least some form of protection of the posts exists. Or find another mentalisst board that doesn't index.

But this board, as I have said before, only remains in existent due to its members, and by moving all comments to inner thoughts, we as Mentalists ( or whatever you call yourselves) are saying...we value our art and wish to keep potentially damaging threads about our art away from the laymen search engine of choice.

I also take the blame for all the posts I have made in this section, in helping them to get indexed, but this thread made me see the problem.
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