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Anyone remember where this routine is written up?

Came to my mind late last night for some reason, and I'd like to look it up. I may have a new presentational angle for it.

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I think it is P Subtitles. Not sure
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Banacek's "Psychological Subtleties" - Ring of Truth
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Also on the PSI dvd

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Many thanks.

Banachek it is.

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Hey Entity-

It is on the PSI disc, and in Banachek's book, "Psychological Subtleties", as well. It is also in "Theater of the Mind", (part one), and then there are a few manuscripts on taking this effect to a higher level: Patrick Redford's version, "Prevaricator", the new "BOHT" by Bryn Reynolds, and "The Thought Channel" by Jerome Finley. They are all wonderful, and will provide lots of ideas.
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There is also a write-up of Banachek's performance of it in the current issue of MUM (March 08).
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Or look in "The Book of Haunted Magick"
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Thanks to all. I did know the routine, just couldn't remember which Banachek item held the source, based on the old logic puzzle.

Good to see a few here recognized the "Ring of Truth" in my previous post.

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There is a version in an old David Bowie movie Smile
Here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091369/
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On 2008-03-07 14:09, gabelson wrote:
then there are a few manuscripts on taking this effect to a higher level: Patrick Redford's version, "Prevaricator", the new "BOHT" by Bryn Reynolds, and "The Thought Channel" by Jerome Finley. They are all wonderful, and will provide lots of ideas.


Thanks for the mention, Gabe.
BOHT will be included in my soon-to-be released manuscript entitled
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Actually, Banachek also credits Charles Cameron as the first to get the concept into print with Angels and Demons (I think) - I'll go look it up when I get the chance but it is in one of Chuck's cool little bizarre magick books where the participants play a demon and an angel and do the logic puzzle... (never underestiamte the bizarre magi Smile)
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Angels & Devils, Satanic Sorcery C.Cameron, reading it only yesterday.
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I vividly remember the logic puzzle told to me by my father when I was 7 ( 30 years ago) not sure of its origin, but pops said he learned it in University.
this was it:

Two guards in front of 2 doors....

One guard is a truth teller, one a liar.

Behind one door is Heaven, the other Hell.

It's not clear which guard stands in front of which door...

You may ask one guard one question, then open one door and walk through.


That was it !
I will post the exact solution if your interested.


All The best Always
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On 2008-03-17 10:38, G.t.H. wrote:

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You may ask one guard one question, then open one door and walk through.


That was it !
I will post the exact solution if your interested.


All The best Always
Andrew Gerard

Andrew,

I'd be interested in seeing the solution-either her or via a PM.

Thanks so much,

Mike
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This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto.

Eschew obfuscation.
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OOPS! Should have typed "either here or via a PM." Hopefully, not a Freudian Slip; Psychoanalysis is too expensive. (grin)
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This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto.

Eschew obfuscation.
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Andrew, Your solution would be interesting if it is different from Ring of Truth.
Thanks for the offer.
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On 2008-03-08 00:40, Slim King wrote:
There is a version in an old David Bowie movie Smile
Here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091369/

Is it different than this one ... other than the door identity angle?
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On 2008-03-17 10:38, G.t.H. wrote:
I vividly remember the logic puzzle told to me by my father when I was 7 ( 30 years ago) not sure of its origin, but pops said he learned it in University.
this was it:

Two guards in front of 2 doors....

One guard is a truth teller, one a liar.

Behind one door is Heaven, the other Hell.

It's not clear which guard stands in front of which door...

You may ask one guard one question, then open one door and walk through.


That was it !
I will post the exact solution if your interested.


All The best Always
Andrew Gerard


This has always been one of my favorites. You simply ask either guard what the other will answer when asked what door he's standing in front of. His answer will be whatever door he's standing in front of. If anyone's interested in the exact logic behind this I'd be happy to post. Thanks Gerard for bringing back a memory of one of my favorite Logic Puzzles. Hope all is well.

-Patrick
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More please!!!!!!!
I was taught this one in Sunday School .... Must have been 40 years ago I guess Smile
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