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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To Dr Spektor;
I did mention Jim Callahan in the beginning post. According to polls most people believe in god, angels, life after death, spirits, hauntings, ghosts, etc. In lesser way readings, tarot, witches, astrology, spells, etc. Do you believe your audiences would quickly accept channelng, along with joining into the mystery of it, more or less, than the other choices available? We are looking to draw from the widest audiences.... Believers, non belevers, skeptics, fun seekers, etc. Dick Brooks
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
I've seen a good number of channelers and my impression is they've all looked like bad actors. Perhaps I just haven't seen someone do it well. I believe more people would enjoy hauntings (perhaps because of currently popular shows like Ghost Hunters) than channeling or any of the others you mentioned.
Regards, Steve
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To yachanin;
I'm sorry, by other choices than channeling I meant... Saying you are the "great I am!" with super powers. Or that you are a "fake psychic" just doing magic tricks to show them how they can be fooled. Other directions you might claim are intuition or NLP, body language, etc. Or have the main theme of of the show around astrology, numerology, pendulums, dowsing, tarot, etc., which does not directly revolve around spirits or super powers. A haunting or seance. Or is there a direction I have not mentioned above of of interest. Dick Brooks
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
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On 2008-03-08 23:56, magicusb wrote: JC is worth mentioning at least twice
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
Hi Magicusb,
I think hauntings would be enjoyed by many people. Things that go "bump in the night" have happened to many individuals and they could relate to a show centered around such occurrences. In the end, however, it really depends on your stage persona. Regards, Steve
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
We want to draw from the widest audience. There is more interest in the paranormal than in skeptical viewpoints. Astrology in every paper. Dozens if not hundreds of TV shows about mediums, hauntings, ghosts, etc. Everything from the Disney Channel, Learning Channel, Biography Channel, A&E, ABC,NBC, CBS, you name it. Nasdradamus, etc., etc., etc., Most people believe in god, angels, spirts, ghosts, hautings, possibly witches, Astrology, Tarot, people want to see it and it gets the ratings and advertisers.
But not one (?) skeptic show, maybe Penn & Teller. Why turn people off by claiming to be a magician mind reader, or "fake" psychic. It is an oxymoron. Our audiences that come run the entire range. Believers, skeptics, & fun seekers and we want to keep it that way. I am greatly against mystery or psychic entertainers advertising they are magicians. In our current presentation we channel lightly the person murdered as a hook. It is built around a murder, suicide & electrocution that occured in the 100 year old building that is known to be haunted by the entire neighboorhood. We have newspaper articles and pictures on display to prove it. But am considering making that even more paramount throughout. Hence the current thread. Thanks all for your input Dick Brooks and Dorothy Dietrich
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
This is somewhat off topic, but something Dick posted brought this to mind
Last time I checked, Penn & Teller's Showtime program is a skeptic show. What they have done with it is make it as entertaining as possible. The networks are looking for a skeptic show, but it is not easy. Actually, a skeptic show it too easy, and that is the problem. I was recently in a pitch meeting for a show about testing the claims of the paranormal. The development director of the network loved the idea but passed on it for two reasons: A-The results would not be faked. B-If the results are not faked, people will fail every time. So, they passed on it. He admitted that they are making a lot of money with their paranormal shows, even if they are highly manipulated to make nothing look like something. But he also knows that TV goes in cycles and the current paranormal boom will fade. When they are no longer making money with shows supporting the paranormal, then it might be time to air the other side of the discussion. And before various people here chime in on how they could beat the challenge, I would like to add that the show was not about "winning". It was not a competition, it was an investigation. And there nothing worth investigating about someone making a pen fall off of a glass. |
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To Todd;
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On 2008-03-09 01:47, Todd Robbins wrote: I too hope and think the paranormal phase may pass. In about ten thousand years. There seems to be somthing in human nature that demands it. Be it fear of the unknown, need for hope no matter how unfounded, or mostly, I believe, fear of the concept of the finality of death. In the affairs of thousands of years the vote of the general public goes to the paranormal. Remember to most people every religon except the one they believe in is nothing but myths and stupid superstituion. Be it virgins after death, or reincarnation, ghosts that return from the dead. For thousands of years, even till today, people are voting with their time, attendance, money, tithes, violence and what all. What my goal is, is to put as many peoples butts in the seats, or eyeballs in my theater, of all beliefs. I know your having just finished your wonderful show, you have thought long and hard how to get those eyeballs. I want to reach a wide audience with my concepts, be what they may be. At the moment, for this discussion, it does not matter what they are, but what wll sell tickets. You and I and others would love to fill theaters the way John Edward does at those prices. I do know we each want to do it OUR way, but for now it is not about ethics. Everyone please stay on topic. Please everyone remember this post is not about ethics, but about what large numbers of people in your community would be interested to pay to see as a theater event. We are also asking might channelng be one of the ways to go? Dick Brooks
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
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On 2008-03-09 00:37, magicusb wrote: I would respectfully suggest that the premise of your statement here is false. People are turned off by dull, un-entertaining mentalists, not by Mentalists who disclaim psychic abilities. Mentalism can be successfully presented in a number of guises, from "psychic entertainer" to "magician mind reader" and all points in between. Derren Brown is probably the most successful Mentalist working today, both critically and box-office wise. He lets everyone know that Magic is part of what he does. Banachek has done well for himself for many years, and yet he makes it clear that he uses not psychic powers to do what he does. I make a very good living as a Mentalist, and I don't claim to be psychic. Why such disdain for any mentalist who approaches their art by calling themselves anything but psychic? I often wonder if, in this day and age, those who insist on shrouding their performances in mysticism and the occult do so out of fear that their performances or their performing personalities aren't strong enough to stand on their own without the crutch of a supernatural pretense. If it's all about putting bums in seats and money, I'd suggest lots of nudity, simulated sex scenes, violence and some snappy dance numbers. That seems to be what the public wants most, and in my opinion, is as connected to Mentalism as talking to the dead is. - entity
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coupcoupdaddy Inner circle 2466 Posts |
Is the manifestation of inner beings the same as channeling spirits?
--coupcoupdaddy
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To entity:
I do not have disdain for the mentalists you mention, but great respect for them and their strength of character, to state or include in their disclaimer what their beliefs are, or in some way bring it to the fore. But this is not about the ethics or beliefs of the performer as was clearly stated when I started this thread, but what areas we as performers in our communities might touch on to fill our theaters. Derren Brown a great, wonderful and successful performer might be a case in this off topic point. If he is such a great skeptic, as I believe he is, why doesn't he make that the key issue of his claims. Rather than shroud it with various other misleading issues. I would guess he feels it might fail. If you want, start another post on this, but not here. It is off MY topic. To stay on topic, I am, however, in great awe and have great respect for Penn & Teller, who do put butts in seats and eyeballs in theaters with their concepts on the paranormal and other such issues. Your comments are great, but are off MY topic, if you read my post just before yours. Your reference to sex and dance numbers is, of course silly, and you know it, but maybe because of your suggestion someone here will give it a try. Are you sure your not Randi? With love and great respect. Running out of the house to do a series of shows. Dick Brooks
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
I'm still a bit confused about what you want. You say that you use channelling in your show. Are you filling your seats? If you are, why are you looking for something different? If you are not, why do you want to continue to use channelling?
Regards, Steve
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Dick:
It's not off topic if you brought it up, is it? I was responding to a point that you had made. You can't really claim "off topic" every time someone responds to one of your points in a way you don't like. Derren's skepticism isn't the focus of his performances -- modern, entertaining Mentalism is. His personal feelings about the supernatural influence his very successful approach to the Art. Seances, channeling, whatever, as a theatrical device, used in a theatrical context, can be greatly entertaining. If that's what you're doing, then best of luck, and I wish you much success. To ask the audience to believe it's real though, is deceiving them on a level that goes beyond entertainment, in my opinion. I think that you and Dorothy are wonderful Magical entertainers. You both have long histories as Magicians and escape artists. Modern Mentalism, artfully done, requires a lot of thought. I personally don't think it's artful to shoot for the lowest common denominator. - entity
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coupcoupdaddy Inner circle 2466 Posts |
How about archetypal possession? Literary mimesis?
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To yacanin;
I am not looking to do something different than channeling, but want input, as I stated in setting up this thread, from performers who might use such techiniques, or who have thought about it for their performances for their input. Are you one of those? I am also by the way looking for a way to put a pendulum in the show. But not the standard way. But that is for another topic. Anyone please PM me if you have any ideas, so as not to divert this thread. We have been filling seats for over thirty years with our performances, but that is not the issue. We, by the way to answer your question "why are we looking", are always looking for something different. That is one of the reasons we have added this show to our book. With respect, Dick Brooks
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
In my earlier post, I made a comment about nude dancing girls being as related to Mentalism as talking to the dead is.
I should have clarified, and meant to, but had to run out for a few minutes. In the past, I've presented many theatrical seances as theatrical entertainment, and placing the seance within that context for the audience. My earlier remark should have read that nude dancing girls, etc., have as much relation to modern mentalism as trying to convince an audience that your are genuinely talking to the dead. As I said, Dick, if it's a theatrical performance and the audience is clear on that, I wish you the best of luck and tremendous success. - entity
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
Hi Magicusb,
Here is the source of my confusion. You had stated: Quote:
Do you believe your audiences would quickly accept channeling, along with joining into the mystery of it, more or less, than the other choices available? (emphasis mine) I suggested "hauntings" would be a better choice. Now, however, you state: Quote:
I am not looking to do something different than channeling, but want input, as I stated in setting up this thread, from performers who might use such techniques, or who have thought about it for their performances for their input. I do not use channeling in any form. Regards, Steve
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magicusb Inner circle 1135 Posts |
To yachanin
Steve; Sorry. I stand corrected by you. Hauntings is a way to go and I agree it would bring in people and thank you very much for that. The great interest in Halloween world wide is proof of that. Our business for this show picks up in the month of October. In case you are not aware the title of our current performance is "Haunted!" with the sub title of "Mind Mysteries & THE Beyond!" Do you do this type of show, or have you thought about it? In what ways? Thanks again Dick
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
Hi Magicusb,
I assume you are talking about this as a theatrical performance, not that you are trying to convince your audience that you are ACTUALLY talking to the dead as John Edward claims. Is my assumption correct? Regards, Steve
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I always like to finish a show by some form of sex-miming...
if you can see it in the states, I dread to think how though - derren did a one off called Seance, very very good it was too...cracking revelation at the end... anyway - if you're doing a show and have a simple caveat at the start that "this is what channelling would look like - please join me in this journey of the mind" then would that not cover any problems you may have? though the way I wrote it does sound a little cheesey...
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