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Cuba is maybe the only exception...But I think we can buy Cuba cigar in europ. Don't know if there is a embargo or not .

For Iran, for the moment, there is no problem I think.But not sure that it is a good deal to buy in Iran, because it is far from your country.

For europe, it is easier. I have asked , one day, Tora for the price of shipping for an illusion (just to know, I don't have bought it cause I don't like really the look and the colors etc...) and shipping by air is incredibly low cost, and very quick ! Not surprinsing why Tora sells so much illusions to dealers here, and eventually reproductions of illusions!
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Stephane_arnow,

Just so you know, the US currently has a total embargo against Iran (similiar to Cuba), so an American citizen doing business with a company located within Iran could be in big trouble with the US government. Don't go getting yourself arrested Smile

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Oh, ok, sorry I didn't know for the embargo. But I am in France, so no problem (for the moment lol) Smile
For the rest, in USA you can buy to a dealer of this builder. But I think there is very best to buy in USA.
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It is true it is illegal to get products into the US from Iran. Some big magic dealers have products confiscated and narrowly missed being fined $10,000.

This is a serious matter and I urge all SAM and IBM members to contact their groups to voice their opinions.

As for advertising revenue, I know for a fact that the Linking Ring, when Phil Wilmarth was editor, rejected two or more pages of ads per month from a dealer who had numerous complaints against him for ripping off items. So money does not always wag the tail.

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On 2008-03-16 21:48, hugmagic wrote:

As for advertising revenue, I know for a fact that the Linking Ring, when Phil Wilmarth was editor, rejected two or more pages of ads per month from a dealer who had numerous complaints against him for ripping off items. So money does not always wag the tail.

Richard


Hello Richard,

You are correct. I know the dealer you are speaking of. He threatened all kinds of legal threats to force them to print his ads but they held firm. Good for the IBM. Too bad others don't follow suit.

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Tim

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I find this funny , torra is a magician and not a trroble maker he is an artist if he is good for the magic coumunity we should stand by him .
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On 2008-03-17 16:44, dahih beik wrote:
I find this funny , torra is a magician and not a trroble maker he is an artist if he is good for the magic coumunity we should stand by him .


I don't think the inventors who's illusions he is building will think its funny.

Jack Murray... do YOU find this funny?

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Tim

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All,

Are the illusions at the top of the page tora illusions?

http://www.maxello.com/

I don't think that the Café would allow them to advertise here if they were knock offs, right?

BTW- The photo of the ZZ must be doctored. There is no possible way that she could turn the conventional way from looking at that photo.

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BYUDAD my friend,

Take a look at your nice new avatar then take a look at the Anita Illusion. Tell me what you think. Since you own a KK I'll trust your word for it. http://www.toramagic.com/htm/home.htm

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Tim

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Tim,

Okay, now I am mad! Why are they advertised on the Café? They clearly make and sell knock offs and bad ones at that. Thanks for the info.

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Again guys if this bothers you that this illegal stuff is being advertised in your magazines and such, let the parties that be know. Just because it is against the law I guess doesn't matter.

I was contacted by this same individual wanting a couple of my products. Since one of my products had already been ripped off by his firm, I questioned what assurances I had that these products would not be ripped off. I never received a reply.

That is one reason that I sell 99% of my products directly to individuals. If you buy something expensive to have something unique and exclusive to your act, you are not going to let someone copy it and make a cheap copy.

Unless you are crazy. They may eventually get my products to copy but not knowingly directly from me.

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Richard,

Very nice stand, Brother. I hope they never get any of your pieces.

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On 2008-03-18 08:37, hugmagic wrote:
Again guys if this bothers you that this illegal stuff is being advertised in your magazines and such, let the parties that be know. Just because it is against the law I guess doesn't matter.

Richard


Regards the question of knockoff builders advertising in mags and forums we need to make it clear that the knockoffs are not illegal but rather against ethics. If you let the parties involved know you are not happy then don't use the legal approach as they will simply say... "It is NOT illegal." We will surely lose any argument based on law. Instead approach them from the ethical stand and ask their position on THAT matter.

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Tim

Day 18

P.S. Thanks for the clarification BYUDAD.
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WOW.. It keeps getting weirder. Check this out.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=177&0

Thanks to the Cafér who sent this link to me.

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Tim

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That has gotta be the best yet. I mean really. Did they think that would go unnoticed? Interesting.


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On 2008-03-18 10:47, Timothy Drake wrote:
WOW.. It keeps getting weirder. Check this out.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=177&0

Thanks to the Cafér who sent this link to me.

Best,

Tim

Day 18


Very blatant, and very sad. Dan Wolfe is one of the nicest guys that you could ever work with. Sad to see his good work lifted. Smile
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Is the advertising on the Café going to be removed? I hope so. MAXELLO Magic refers you to them.

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Timoyhy drake , I said if he is any good for the magic comunity , sorry if you mis under stood me . I believe magic should have no bounderies as much as I believe that we should support origenals and not knok offs . thanks .
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The simple fact is here in the USA it is illegal to send or receive items from Cuba, Iran and I forgot the third company. It is clearly posted in the US Post Offices. I just saw it today when I shipped.

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I got an email from Tora Magic and he said he was located in Singapore:
quote "The central office of Tora Magic is in Singapore." unquote

Can anyone clarify this?

Just wondering.

ACE
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