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obuch
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I'm reading the Tarbell course now and there are 2 routines with candles that are using candle shell made from printing paper and I'm thinking that its great idea and you can do a lot with it - candle color changes, vanishes and in some routine put silk or anything else to fake candle - just great!

But...

Will it really look like real candle? Printing paper for me is too bright and people would notice that when they will see fake candle and real one so could it be used like I'm working on table in front of people that are 4 meters away from me? Or on stage? Does anyone from you guys use this?


And could I use color papers? Like I show white candle and hide it behind green paper or silk and then show green candle? (I know its possible but will they notice cuz of paper?)


Yeah a lot of questions but I hope someone will answer Smile
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Not sure if this would hurt the shell in anyway but you could but wax on the outside. Maybe melting some wax and brushing it on the sh*ll to dry. Just a thought.
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Nice idea but still don't know if it is possible to use without people noticing. I will try it next week. I'll buy some candles but still hoping some will answer here.
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How close are you going to be to your audience? The shells are not really a close-up trick. They will work in a parlor setting 5 to 8 feet from the audience and are best on a platform show. Honestly, the paper-shell candles will fly right by the spectators. I used to make them out of white copy paper. I made a little template so that I could make a tapered candle rather than a straight sided version. I used about 1.5 to 2 inches of real candle at the tip. Put it in a candle holder and light the thing (it will burn for several minutes without worry) and it not be noticed as a fake.

Iíve used paper fakes for a vanished 18-inch silk handkerchief to candle for a couple of decades now. Iíve made both straight sided fakes and tapered sided fakes. Iíve also used the shells for a vanished wine to candle trick.

And of course Iíve used them for a simple vanishing candle routine (take the lit candle, wrap it in newspaper with the lit tip showing to the last second, blow out the candle, instantly crumple the paper, and toss it over you shoulder. Now produce a lit candle from under your jacket! The lit candle in my case was a painted wooden dowel with a match for a wick, you know the rest!). This was a pretty strong second spot and Iíve even opened with it.

As to using color paper for the shells, do it! Any color that matches the candle tip you are using. It doesnít even have to be a perfect match! Heck tie a bit of ribbon around the joint where the two meet and make it look fancy. Experiment a bit, this isnít rocket science and isnít expensive. Some paper, a glue stick, some scissors, a candle stub, and five minutes of your time what do you have to loose?

If you are planning to do a color change with the shells I recommend that you simple use the Fantaiso color changing candles and make it easy on your self?
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Thanks mr hrry for this post really thanks, I'm working on these shells right now and the problem is the edge of paper, when the paper edge meet the tip of candle its noticable.
normally I would like to perform it in classroom (im performing close up in hightschools) and it would be like 5 meters from people when I would perform effects which candle shell's then I could go closer to do close up effects is 5 meter enought for oyu? I will check it myself but how about you? or someday on stage like 10 meters away from first row and like 30 meters from the last then I would use some big candles.


I will probably buy fantasio candles anyway but like in couple months from now cuz I already ordered some things like fantasio vanishing cane and gimmick to dancing cane and I will practice with these cuz I want start performing on stage.

and color change with paper shell would be so trouble some? I thought that would be great eye catcher and not so difficult to do.

and now some of you might can say I'm not so normal but... multiplying candles Smile with paper shells and silk Smile

I know I can a gimmick set a perform it but... for me it still would be great effect and not so expensive. it would use 2 candlles and 2 shells I show a candle with shell on and you know I produce 2 candles undercover of silk then steal another candle with shell on and now I have 4 candles what do you think? I would use smaller candles.

the effect when I take a newspaper and vanish a candle with it is the effect I will use it probably the most of times but I will surely experiment with others
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Do you want to have shells and real candles of the same color visible at the same time? If so read my suggestions below. If not, it is less likely any discrepancies would be noticed. Spectators mentally take in information at face value. If it looks like a duck...

If you simply want to show a candle of one color, and change it to another color, you probably have little to worry about.

Coated paper stock will get you closer to the shine of a real candle. Better print shops (those that do offset printing) should have it. You can spray a clear gloss on the real candle if you need to bring up the shine on it.

If the difference is in the color, you might consider making a fake candle from the same paper as the shell. If it must be solid, it can be formed around a dowel or even a real candle. Just add in a small plug of candle and wick at the top, as Harry suggested, if you need that feature. Similarly, you can make your candle from any stiff tube, metal, PVC, cardboard, etc. It would be straight sided, instead of tapered, but that may not be a problem. The fake and it's matching shell can be spray painted to match color.

Alternately, you might consider trying to spray paint both a real candle and the paper shell.
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Harry Murphy
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Friend Obuch 5 meters are more than enough distance! I think that the shells would be deceptive at even 2.5 to 4 meters (Iíve worked that close)!

As to the join/line issue. I think that you have a number of options. The first is the easiest. Use a straight side shell and insert the candle piece inside and flush with the top of the shell. The candle needs to be fairly large diameter, say somewhere between 2.8 and 5 centimeters (1.5 inches to 2 inches). The flame can actually burn several minutes with out worry.

The second option, for a tapered candle where the candle bit is on top of the shell, is to use a marking pen and draw a series of lines around the body of the candle, including around the edge join. It would look decorative.

Of course the third option is to tie a small piece of ribbon with a small bow around the join as a decorative touch.

Finally, let me say that when the candle is lit the flame helps blind the eye to fine details and the very fine join line will not be noticed. You will have to experiment to see for yourself.

The color change with the shells will not be all that troublesome. It is an old technique that worked well for past masters. I like your idea for your multiplying candle routine. You donít have to use small candles! I say go for it! Start experimenting and start building your props! You may develop a very unique act!
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Thanks both of you, harry you posts inspired me a lot Smile I think its enought questions and now I'm starting experiment on my own, now I got only 4 small white candles and a lot of ideas. tommorow I'm buying more candles and this weekend work on some effects ;P


still if you have any tips or anything wirte it here please Smile
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Let part of your experimentation involve one friend who you can do the effect for, and see if they notice anything out of the ordinary (after you've finished the trick). Most likely, the little discrepancies that you are worried about will fly right past most people.
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Better to present it with a used wick: that is light the wick few seconds blow it off. makes for a better natural look every time both on the real candle as well as the gimmick one.In addition you may also let candle drippins fall down the gimmick one. With a pvc or metal sprayed as said take a cricket type lighter measure down it's lenght and go down a little less than a half inch or so and put some sort of stopper in it to prevent the lifhter falling down.Cut an L shape figure from top of gimmicked candle going down to that measurment given.This is the basic lighted candle from pocket,it is also sold commercially,nice effect.Tim Deremer puts those out look him up on web under that name.
obuch
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Thanks I'll try that and look for that effect.
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You can take a paint brush and dip it in material spirits ( paint thinner ) and it will soften the wax of the candle and paint it down over the joint. I used to do taxidermy work and have used this many time making wax mouth inserts for mounts. Owln_1
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Has anyone tried using wax parchment paper??? It might be too thin but if you wrapped it a few layers thick, it would match a white candle pretty well.
Also, you could use flash paper and make a killer vanishing candle (though I cant imagine a safe way of handling something like that).
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Dear friends,
All the inputs , suggestions are worth noting
Just an idea.
How about using a butter paper which has a similar look of a genuine candle. Coating the shell with wax outside should work well as our frind Mr magicalmike suggested.
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Use white oil cloth to make the shell.
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I must admire the creativity that is being expressed here. Great thoughts and grat sharing to develop ideas that can help and assist someone else. that is really great to see. I was also thinking of the idea of using a wax style coated paper and seeing how that works. In this way wax form a candle coul;d be placed on it (if you wanted to) without it hurting the shell. There are many types of papers out there and a bit of experimenting may find the answer for you. Also, I think we as magicians tend to be a bit more critical of hwo it looks then a lay person. I think most of what was mentioned above would work out just fine for an audience and not be noticed by them if you have some space between you.

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