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On Apr 13, 2003, Alan Jackson wrote:
Derren Brown closes his live show with a magic square. It's kind of (apparently) accidental and a very effective way of revealing a thought of number. It's cleverly disguised with a spiel about the numbers picked by people reading certain newspapers.


Could you help me with the name of the show where in Derren Brown performed the magic square as his encore? I'm really interested to check it out. Thanks!
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Math in mentalism... If Cassidy, Berglas, Osterlind, Maven, Becker, Earle, Brown, Hickok, Kurtz, Dyment, Cushman, Jermay, etc. ALL do it, then you don't have to ask the question in the first place!!!
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I actually really enjoy cube roots. It's not for every audience and I do use it as a demonstration of skill. It's how I keep my mind sharp. It's more impressive to college age kids and adults. I understand the hesitation most have. I had the same hesitation before learning the effect, but it paid off.
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Math effects are good as long as the procedure isn't boring or too obvious.

For my stage show I've been using Some t*tal update as a closer and it works really well.
As for my strolling material I always do number rev*rsal, I love that effect.

You should check out "Lorayne's b*ck", an awesome math effect with the method well concealed.
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Can anyone do a rapid calculation of the number of days between the last post in this thread from 2003 and its re-emergence in 2014? Surely it must be a record!
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LOL! I didn't realize that.
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On Sep 26, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Can anyone do a rapid calculation of the number of days between the last post in this thread from 2003 and its re-emergence in 2014? Surely it must be a record!


^^^
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Further- The person who resurrected this thread asked a question to someone who hasn't even posted on the Café since 2010. So I don't think we can expect an answer.
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On Sep 26, 2014, geeta172 wrote:
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On Apr 13, 2003, Alan Jackson wrote:
Derren Brown closes his live show with a magic square. It's kind of (apparently) accidental and a very effective way of revealing a thought of number. It's cleverly disguised with a spiel about the numbers picked by people reading certain newspapers.


Could you help me with the name of the show where in Derren Brown performed the magic square as his encore? I'm really interested to check it out. Thanks!


It was the encore for his live show, "Derren Brown Live," from 2002-4. Here's the effect listing:

http://www.derrenbrown.org.uk/live_2002.php

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On Sep 26, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Further- The person who resurrected this thread asked a question to someone who hasn't even posted on the Café since 2010. So I don't think we can expect an answer.


But an answer may issue from other quarters. Though skilled at sending and receiving thoughts, predicting the future is not among your powers!
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Picky, picky! Smile

But I've even seen people resurrecting old threads and asking questions of members who aren't alive any more.
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We all read regular books that were published years, decades, even centuries ago and mentally engage with authors who are long since dead.

If the ideas recorded are still engaging and provocative, discussion will ensue.
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But Tim, we did not write to the deceased authors and wait for an answer...
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These threads only serve to remind me how many of the old guard are no longer with us. Smile
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Sorry Bob. I wasn't aware. Very new to Mentalism. Haven't performed an effect ever. Just trying to learn now.
Can anyone help me with my question though? Am I stepping on some forum rules by asking the question?
Ummm..I doubt the performance is available to watch....is it? I don't find any DVD's of it.
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I think it's important to ask questions in the process of magic and mentalism, regardless of who performs what and how. Stefmagic, I suggest you think critically and question throughout your participation in the art---of course, you may come to a conclusion that suggests no change, but how you get there is just as important as the destination itself.

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On Sep 26, 2014, Stefmagic wrote:
Math in mentalism... If Cassidy, Berglas, Osterlind, Maven, Becker, Earle, Brown, Hickok, Kurtz, Dyment, Cushman, Jermay, etc. ALL do it, then you don't have to ask the question in the first place!!!
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I use math occasionally as a method- but rarely as a demonstration. It doesn't fit my persona- I sell myself as a mind reader, not as a math whiz.
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Great point, Bob! Selling yourself as a mentalist versus a math whiz are 2 completely different things. And where the math is done (as a method versus the demonstration itself) is also key. Please note that Stefmagic.

Regards,
Mike

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I use math occasionally as a method- but rarely as a demonstration. It doesn't fit my persona- I sell myself as a mind reader, not as a math whiz.
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So displaying a skill such as lighting addition just makes sense. If our brains have been developed enough to have a sixth sense, then why wouldn't our other senses be magnified?

Work well as a lead in to a mental calculation, like the Pepsi prediction, performed by Mark A. Gibson.
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Well, math and memory demonstrations are the third in Corinda's 13 Steps. And if, with Chuck Hickok, you believe that the audience ought to experience in one's first effect an implied mental power that is plausible in their eyes, it may be worth reconsidering. Richard Osterlind teaches a splendid approach to performing an instant magic square, for any number from 33 to 99, in his new book, CRIB. I plan to open with it tomorrow evening.

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You know, some of these very old threads are very cool to read.
Besides some genuinely good ideas from members long gone, it also gives an insight into some of the groupthink that has formed in the mentalism community.
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