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Experimentalist Veteran user 356 Posts |
I once heard Dia Vernon say that each card has a secondary name (such as the Devel's Bedposts for the 4 of clubs). Does anyone know, or have a source of the names of the remaining 51 cards?
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Jelicle card names...
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Bill Ligon Inner circle A sure sign of a misspent youth: 6437 Posts |
Very interesting!
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Andy Moss Special user 713 Posts |
An association is perhaps possible between card stack numbers and card nick names?.Could have some fun here.Alot of the nick names seem very visual.
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Mark Rough Inner circle Ivy, Virginia 2110 Posts |
Interesting stuff, though I had always heard the 4 of SPADES was the Devil's Bedposts. Well, you learn something new every day. . .
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EVILDAN Inner circle 1279 Posts |
I too have heard that the 4 of Spades was the Devil's Bedposts, not the clubs.
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Robin DeWitt Regular user 187 Posts |
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On 2008-03-16 09:47, EVILDAN wrote: Me, too. According to google, though, it's the four of clubs. Robin
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Well, there are a myriad of devils.... I'm sure some infernal spirit uses the four of hearts for a bed too (likely a succubus I suspect)
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Clifford the Red Inner circle LA, California 1941 Posts |
Huh. I thought it was spades as well. Snopes has a nice summary of card stuff. The "Curse of Scotland" is another juicy one.
http://www.snopes.com/luck/cards.asp
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KOTAH Inner circle 2289 Posts |
Perhaps a card stack system; based on a story involving the names or objects?
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Andy Moss Special user 713 Posts |
Hello Kotah, yes I have been thinking along the same lines. I currently use Richard Osterlind's B.C.S which I have memorised using my own Simon Aronsen like number/word/image code association. The deck now serves as a memory stack as well as a cylical stack. I am currently trying to learn the stack off by heart so that I can dispense with the 'system' but it is hard work. I can memorise the positions of the first twenty or so cards but then start to struggle!.
It might be more direct when calculating several cards/positions at the same time to simply learn a number/image association. For example picture a room with a row of ten tables in it. Each table is numbered restaurant style 1 to 10. Now picture five objects on each of the tables.For the first position card (Ace of Spades)you visualise a bullet with a 1 on it lying on a shining sword. Next to it a crab lying dead on its back numbered 2 with a bloody dagger through it. Hearts=cups. Spades=Swords. Clubs=wands. Diamonds=pentacles/coins.You get the idea. In time of course the image/number association will spontaneously arise in your mind. It will be automatic. Devising a storyline for visualising/memorising ordinary playing cards will be more problematic. I have to date only managed to achieve this with object image cards which are stacked.This I use for design duplication purposes. With best wishes Andy. |
motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
I know this is an old thread, there seem to be entries both ways regarding the Devil's Bed post.
One I found says that it's the 4 of Spades and that it comes from sailors. In Max Maven's Wager's of Sin, he uses the 4 of spades, but doesn't refer to the Devil's Bed Post.
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topherhester Loyal user 295 Posts |
In Eugene’s version of Wagers of Sin he does refer to 4 of Spades as the devils bedpost. Guess they are used interchangeably.
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
The 4 of Spades was mentioned as the Devil's Bedpost in a book that came out in the earlier 1800's.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
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On Oct 21, 2020, motown wrote: I've just written a detailed blog post on this topic because I'm writing a performance script for "Wagers of Sin" by Max Maven. The Devil's Bedpost is the Four of Clubs. It is ancient sailor slang, but the book you mention cited the Four of Clubs, not Spades. However, a lot of websites that have reproduced the quote have switched the suits. I assume that this is a mistake, but the cards might have been used interchangeably. However, all the early references I found named the Four of Clubs, not the Four of Spades. I hope this is helpful information that people can use in their own scripts. Marty |
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
The Devil bedpost as a Death Announcement in 1785. (from the Surnateum collection) The may notice the coincidence Helman/Chelman. |
martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
Wow, that's awesome, Christian. Your site is great, too, by the way. Would you be happy for me to include this image in the blog post (with a credit and link to your site, of course)?
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3909 Posts |
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On Nov 7, 2023, martydoesmagic wrote: With pleasure. |
martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
If you've ever performed "Wagers of Sin" by Max Maven, you'd understand that it gets a tremendous reaction from laypeople. They thoroughly shuffle the deck and then decide how many cards to deal to the table (this is my small addition; see the link in my blog post for details). Then they randomly eliminate all but one card, which is the dreaded Devil's Bedpost!
I'm also planning to add some bells and whistles, e.g., using a Fire Wallet and prosthetic horns hidden under a hat (see YT video below). Therefore, I have to politely disagree that this isn't a big effect (provided some thought goes into presenting this classic card trick to maximise the impact of the Faustian theme). Marty |
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